“But the times when you would get a little heated would be…” — Pod Save America at 48:09
“But the times when you would get a little heated would be when you felt like we were overselling the speech. And I can imagine this has just really put a lot of pressure on. Oftentimes you oversold the speech. Well, you know what? Trying to keep your tree from falling in the woods and no one hearing it. But it just…”
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