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“I've seen zero evidence that anyone's paid. I mean, I've…” — Decoder with Nilay Patel at 41:58

“I've seen zero evidence that anyone's paid. I mean, I've been doing this for 10 years. Trust me, my professional decisions could have been, you know, I could be making a lot more money doing other things over the last 10 years than trying to get the word out about this. But no, again, what I think is really…”

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