“So that's just that to me is always the the number one…” — Pod Save America at 42:49
“So that's just that to me is always the the number one like call. And to the extent that people aren't qualified, it's that their lack of qualifications is not something that's going to help them like reform an agency to improve people's lives. But it's actually going to hurt you by having them there. I guess that's…”
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