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“And now it's like, nope, it's just you and your agent…” — The Vergecast at 39:51

“And now it's like, nope, it's just you and your agent having your own little world. And what's that going to be like? So beyond traffic and money, and I think digital media companies are all pretty done. I haven't seen Google Zero for years and years and years. Now they're all saying, it's like, do you make any…”

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