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“when that happened, right? That it's like, oh, actually…” — The Vergecast at 56:22

“when that happened, right? That it's like, oh, actually being careful and thoughtful and slow and deliberate cost us. Like we spent two years fighting the reputation that we had by being the ones who were careful and thoughtful. And actually what we need to do here is win. And look, I think there are a million…”

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