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“And if you didn't use it, they'd be real ahead within the…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 44:38

“And if you didn't use it, they'd be real ahead within the way. It was a really, really weird time. It felt off to me. I'm like, surely, like if I hire a person for it and it costs, they cost X, like they should generate at least as much value, right? But they're not right now, like, we don't”

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