“Well, and I think, you know, the full-long time developer…” — The Pragmatic Engineer at 59:42
“Well, and I think, you know, the full-long time developer tools were not seen as an revenue drive-off in the industry. And I think, you know, there were a few examples like companies and Jack Brains comes to mind, or Jay Fork, there's a bunch of companies that, you know, we're focusing on developer tools,”
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