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“And that was part of the downward spiral. Yes, it was.…” — 20/20 at 12:58

“And that was part of the downward spiral. Yes, it was. Laura, I think at that time, had admitted that she needed help because she had started using drugs. The state, we took the kids, separated the kids, put them in foster care. I feel like Laura lost her way and she didn't want to”

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