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“And they were like, well, now what do I do? I don't know…” — Software Engineering Daily at 35:49

“And they were like, well, now what do I do? I don't know how to learn this. The API is enormously complex. I don't have any tools that I can use. There are bugs in the implementations. This, thank you, but it's not solving my problem. And it was a gradual process for us to understand that we have to define our job…”

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