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“kind of live fire exercises are going to be far more…” — CyberWire Daily at 16:10

“kind of live fire exercises are going to be far more valuable than, you know, sitting in front of a group of people at a table talking about how you would respond. Really taking that extra step to get people in there, to push those defenses to their limit, see what breaks down, you know, when you're in a friendly…”

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