“we want them to do to help them fit into our lives, but…” — Pet Chat at 12:51
“we want them to do to help them fit into our lives, but also doing the things that are good for them and safe for them. And it'll make them a more enjoyable, or they'll have a more enjoyable life if they're, you know, given some work to do. Particularly if they don't jump on the stove as well. Particularly if they…”
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