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“So perhaps the only data point you can bring to bear in…” — Pod Save America at 48:09

“So perhaps the only data point you can bring to bear in such a conversation, and it's a very imperfect one, is does this candidate have a history of winning tough races, winning Republican voters, winning over swing voters? You know, like Andy Beshear can come to voters and say, look at all these Republicans and…”

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