“We on immigration, it's like people are afraid to be seen…” — Pod Save America at 31:38
“We on immigration, it's like people are afraid to be seen as too loose on immigration. Like we don't want to be seem like open borders. But then at the other side, we don't want to be too strict. Right. And we're afraid to say anything about enforcement. And so we're just sort of like reactive. Same thing on cost and…”
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