“If we disengage, then brutal, aggressive autocrats like…” — Pod Save America at 1:25:12
“If we disengage, then brutal, aggressive autocrats like Putin, like what Iran has done in the least, they're going to prosper. So I think we need to be engaged from a place of humility, cooperation, and working together. And then the final piece of this is when this rules-based international order was set up, the…”
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