“And so I was like, oh, I'll go to Grand Rapids with you…” — Pod Save America at 53:24
“And so I was like, oh, I'll go to Grand Rapids with you for five days for spring break and just see what's going, you know, what's happening. And so Granholm was there. I got to tell you, like, Evan Ryan, the head of Cabinet Affairs at the White House, is doing a good job because when I was there, I saw three Cabinet…”
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