“So it's sort of like what I thought originally about the…” — Pod Save America at 1:03:30
“So it's sort of like what I thought originally about the first shutdown, but it would be more of that than some kind of strategy to assume that our leverage would be used to kind of get the administration to get ICE to back down just by virtue of a little bit of shutdown. You're using it as an intentional moment.…”
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