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“Sometimes I wonder if like that's all you need. That's the…” — Pod Save America at 41:13

“Sometimes I wonder if like that's all you need. That's the only explanation. And I find that like I get to the end of this and I feel the same uncertainty and I worry too about the people that are meant to be our leaders through any kind of shutdown. And I think, okay, that makes the right decision uncertain from a…”

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