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“And it just feels like the same people are doing the same…” — Pod Save America at 54:35

“And it just feels like the same people are doing the same things they were doing six months ago, as opposed to really rethinking how we communicate, how we speak, right? Not our message. What are the words that come out of our mouth? How do we sound different? What are we going to do that's different than before? And…”

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