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“It's just it's not unconstitutional not to swear and it's…” — Pod Save America at 18:02

“It's just it's not unconstitutional not to swear and it's just a huge breach of norms. And so much of our democracy is propped up on norms which are being shredded in the Trump era. And I think there's a lot of concern that this Arizona AG has a lawsuit trying to force Johnson to seat her. And if that fails, that…”

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