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“Every poll, every focus group, every time you talk to…” — Pod Save America at 39:03

“Every poll, every focus group, every time you talk to voters, here's the problem. Voters think all politicians are hypocrites. So when you go after a politician on hypocrisy grounds, it just doesn't land. It doesn't land with the voters that you need. They don't care about hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is about the person.…”

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