“less defensive. You don't want to be so defensive. You…” — Pod Save America at 54:33
“less defensive. You don't want to be so defensive. You want to talk about the choice in the election. You want to pivot to the, and then what do you think is, do you think that's what they're telling him and that he's just not doing it? Do you think he's stubborn? Like, I can't figure, this is what I can't figure…”
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