“You want to tell them what they, you can't do what Gibbs…” — Pod Save America at 1:00:32
“You want to tell them what they, you can't do what Gibbs did to Barack Obama there because you will get the opposite effect. I can't say whether that's how Biden is right now, but sometimes you have to just sort of like take every inch you can get because if you push too far, it's going to go the other way. I do…”
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