“to kind of, like, take, to challenge people on an issue…” — Pod Save America at 1:18:29
“to kind of, like, take, to challenge people on an issue they may not agree with yet, right, to actually lead. I'm laughing because I thought about, like, on the Democratic side, and I was like, Kamala Harris did three events one day with Liz Cheney, and we're still hearing about how it was, that's what caused the end…”
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