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“pretty smart, certainly smarter than Trump. I kind of…” — Pod Save America at 23:23

“pretty smart, certainly smarter than Trump. I kind of think he's like what people thought DeSantis might be, but like the real deal. So I worry about him a lot. All right, now getting inside Trump's mind, which is always fun. Who do you think he wants and who do you think the campaign wants? I think the campaign…”

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