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“All I've heard some hardcore engineers confess certain…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 1:15:33

“All I've heard some hardcore engineers confess certain areas of their code were just completely bi-coded because it's like, take this thing and, you know, because you can kind of approximate it with it. But the point stands. I'm not saying they never go away. I don't think Codisart ever goes away, but. I have a kind…”

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