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“Are you a craftsman? I told you I had two minds on the…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 1:18:50

“Are you a craftsman? I told you I had two minds on the matter. At the end of the day, I think I always was more about the ends. I always was. I was like, I want the website. I want the plugin. I want the superpowers. And I realized at that time, 2004, 2005, up until recently, the actual craft of the software mattered…”

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