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“you know, the bottom of the heap currently. It's…” — The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source at 9:48

“you know, the bottom of the heap currently. It's interesting how that played out though, honestly. Like a reverse Apple hire, Google stepping in, Microsoft blocking the, you know, stalling it and botching it because of IP access and wanting it. And then here's Google just licensing it. They didn't even, they're like…”

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