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“It would be his knee-jerk reaction to lay off. So I said…” — Acquired at 24:33

“It would be his knee-jerk reaction to lay off. So I said to him, if you want to lay off, bring it to the wall, I'll call a special warm meeting. And I knew what I was asked the board to do, which was not to grant the permission. But he decided to circumvent that,”

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