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“was not a surprise to me. The next step they took was to…” — Acquired at 1:58:12

“was not a surprise to me. The next step they took was to ask us TSMC to co-develop the next generation of technology, which is 513 micron, 113 nanometer in 1999. And since I anticipated that, it was no problem at all for us to refuse to. And in fact, even if I didn't anticipate that,”

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