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“turn off the BlackBerry network because they could just…” — The Vergecast at 19:20

“turn off the BlackBerry network because they could just find the Bez and unplug it until BlackBerry caved. And there was just this huge back-and-forth fight in a way that, you know, now end-to-end encryption on phones, it's much harder to just go to Jim Balsillie and be like, fix it, or I'm taking your business away.…”

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