“Right. When the pressure on them was so great and they…” — The Vergecast at 19:50
“Right. When the pressure on them was so great and they couldn't just resist it because they were Blackberry. For example, Apple and Google can just resist it because they're Apple and Google. But yeah, eventually some of this stuff started breaking down. I also feel like it's just a thing you can unplug. It turned…”
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