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“And so it's called Nutella. And they ran on this open…” — The Vergecast at 16:57

“And so it's called Nutella. And they ran on this open protocol and the app was like a garbage Java app that ran like dog shit on basically every computer. But it looked nice. It didn't. Like this is at the time for Mac users when apps that don't look like Mac apps are like just not allowed. Right. There's like…”

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