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“Because that's where the revenue is going to be. And…” — The Vergecast at 55:16

“Because that's where the revenue is going to be. And something very big changed in the culture when you took the value of a song to zero dollars. Yeah, no, I think that's right. And it is like we spent then like a decade of breaking it. And then the next decade was rebuilding it again in a totally different image. I…”

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