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“But they were like, yeah, we're the bad guys. Yeah, I…” — The Vergecast at 11:00

“But they were like, yeah, we're the bad guys. Yeah, I actually like disagree with you about that narrative. I mean, yes, they turn into the bad guys for a certain segment, like for you, for me, like for a certain generation. And then like there's a cutoff where suddenly people are like, oh, yeah, I feel kind of bad…”

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