“what people actually want to see. They've figured out your…” — The Vergecast at 1:15:37
“what people actually want to see. They've figured out your charts and that's not the same as making good content. But yeah, so it's like yes and no. I think you can't sign the deal and the goal is to basically get to the point where you don't have to have that conversation in the first place. You have to figure out…”
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