“Why is it a bad idea to challenge and debate Bannon's…” — Pod Save America at 1:24:59
“Why is it a bad idea to challenge and debate Bannon's views for the benefit of the people who may find them persuasive but are not short? So I don't think there's anything wrong with Gavin, who I know, consider us friends, having different voices on and having this discussion back and forth. I think that's important.…”
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