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“their actual sense of a design and putting something…” — TheFluffenhammer's podcast at 28:19

“their actual sense of a design and putting something together was always very bolts and braces. Now, some of it is a legacy of before when they were pre-digital, when you were doing it using your physically compositing pages, electricity and the like. So it's a difficult part. So a lot more challenging to do in those…”

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