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“And so, yeah, I guess I'd like to hear you talk more about…” — The Ezra Klein Show at 44:11

“And so, yeah, I guess I'd like to hear you talk more about to what degree you think this is short-term is structural, to what degree you think the Trump is in, that you're describing there is distinctive to a kind of person. Is this simply an adjustment period in a kind of a new formation”

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