“now of a West that seems in a kind of political drift…” — The Ezra Klein Show at 57:55
“now of a West that seems in a kind of political drift, often a dangerous one. But it is not like the illiberal forces in the West have mastered the system either. China is moving very fast, and I think it's just a kind of pressure on the West to move faster. But it's not really clear how to respond to”
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