“I think whether he generally believes he won the debate or…” — Pod Save America at 24:30
“I think whether he generally believes he won the debate or not, I tend to think he's convinced himself he did. There's got to be in some, you know, the dark addled recesses of that brain, some kind of subconscious understanding that he doesn't want to get humiliated. So I'm not even sure he'll do the CNN debate. He's…”
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