“forever. It is what do we need to do beyond just winning…” — Pod Save America at 29:05
“forever. It is what do we need to do beyond just winning and losing? So if you're a swing state where you're constantly, you're Pennsylvania and you're constantly thinking about that little edge you have and maybe swinging your state is different from, you know, if you're a deep red or a deep blue state. And that's…”
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