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“in one way or another, being guided by the fear of…” — Pod Save America at 37:54

“in one way or another, being guided by the fear of lawsuits because they know practically they just can't fight everything all the time all at once. They have to make decisions about where they're going to push harder and where they're going to be willing to not take legal risk. And what I don't know in watching this…”

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