132 Problems: Revisiting Mormon Polygamy

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks:Schuyler Colfax Journal: https://archive.org/details/westerngalaxymin0001geor/page/246/mode/2upNew York Times July 18, 1865: https://archive.org/details/NYTimes-July-Aug-1865/page/n131/mode/2upCatharine Waite Book: https://archive.org/details/mormonprophet00wait/page/160/mode/2up Mark Twain Roughing It: https://archive.org/details/GR_762/page/572/mode/2up?view=theater Fawn Brodie's Book: https://archive.org/details/NoManKnowsMyHistoryWilhelm Wyl Book: https://archive.org/details/josephsmithproph00wylwrich/page/54/mode/2upFifteen Years Among the Mormons: https://archive.org/details/fifteenyearsamon00greerich/page/34/mode/2up?view=theaterHugh Nibley's Pamphlet: http://www.sainesburyproject.com/mormonstuff/No%20Ma'am%20That's%20Not%20History.pdfRuth Vose Sayers Affidavits: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/1d9fab4a-421c-4054-a8c0-4666996823c3/0/0 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/37a65922-1a7e-4e6c-9e5b-fa5104b53cbe/0/12 "But one wife" examples: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/MStar/id/241 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/123

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsMads Larsen's Book: Stories of Love from Vikings to Tinder https://library.oapen.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/93108/1/9781040157152.pdf Polygamy and the Male Brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dDuXeyUw8&t=787sMads on Chris Williamson's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peodF7CWJJI&t=516sOgden Kraut's Polygamy in the Bible: https://ogdenkraut.com/?page_id=479

Exonerating Emma (from the accusations of Brigham Young): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLN8Er1_A&t=258sEmma and Joseph: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3KtLnYFu9cMaxine Hanks Discussing Emma, Relief Society, and Female Authority: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeAV_dgE8W8&t=3485sWilliam Clayton Affidavit Paper: https://journalofmormonpolygamy.org/jmp/article/view/4/16Journal of Mormon Polygamy Homepage: https://journalofmormonpolygamy.org/jmpJournal of Mormon Polygamy Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHSwN-nEwrI&t=89sRelief Society Minutes where Joseph said Emma had been Ordained: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/31 Emma's Final Testimony: https://archive.org/details/TheSaintsHerald_Volume_26_1879/page/n289/mode/2up?view=theater1835 D&C Section on Marriage: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/doctrine-and-covenants-1835/135?p=135Jason Briggs's interview: https://latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100117.pdf (pg 23)Dixon Interview: https://latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100215.pdf (pgs 165–166)Chrestensen Interview: https://latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100232.pdf (pgs 1044–1045)Forscutt Eulogy of Emma Smith: The Saints Herald - volume 26 (pgs 209 - 217)

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsEpisode on Emma:Emma and Joseph: https://youtu.be/J3KtLnYFu9c?si=OVdv53QRdU-gjQXSExonerating Emma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLN8Er1_AWomen and Authority: https://amzn.to/4iQzkxyMormon Studies Initiative (Videos for Maxine's conference should be available soon! ) https://mormon.utah.edu/conferences.php Maxine's interview on the Come Back podcasthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quyv7ArmWqM

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsJohn Dehlin brings up very good points about the problems with the dubious story of the transfiguration of Brigham Young. Hopefully he and his audience can see that the story of Joseph Smith's polygamy suffers from the exact same problems. This is a fun one.Links:Episode 148 on James Whitehead and W.W. Blair's Journal: https://youtu.be/VvOjyZhHPVs Episode on Malissa Lott: https://youtu.be/dGwxwe3mjg4 Mormon Stories Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVdOZzgeyG0Alzina L. Willes RS talk https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/memories/LKVY-YFH Richard Van Wagoner Dialoge Article: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V28N04_15.pdf Clayton England Mission Journal: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/search/collection/MMD/mode/all/field/creato/searchterm/william%20clayton Clayton 1846 Pioneer Journal: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/2f057642-483b-4112-a67f-8ecc13f69d28/0?view=browse James Allen article on Clayton: https://files.lib.byu.edu/mormonmigration/articles/ClaytonEditedComplete2.pdf Patty Sessions Journal: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/cb00e295-aed7-40e8-ae70-25065b52592a/0/0?fbclid=IwY2xjawIhL7NleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHU-SANM-Upnsaeyo76o4YKuEwJMeg8I5ko5ZqvU-956AlnTr7o6pUWk4gQ_aem_nLWBlCgc03KJ9drKzv7lbg The Contributor: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/99e4dfbe-c3bd-4a98-9853-081f52ceb3df/0/0Brigham Young Oct 8, 1866 Sermon: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/6f0406aa-22d8-4fb7-b49d-e80dc1a0a913/0/0?lang=eng Saints Chapter 40: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1/40-united-in-an-everlasting-covenant?lang=eng Joseph F. Smith letter to Orson Pratt: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/b39baefa-116b-4a57-b864-d93e4be664f6/0/66 Joseph Fielding Smith Blood Atonement and the Origin of Plural Marriage: https://archive.org/details/bloodatonementor00smit/page/n1/mode/2up?view=theater October 5, 1843 Journal Entry: Journal: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/123Draft: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-draft-1-march-31-december-1843/143 History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-e-1-1-july-1843-30-april-1844/118 Joseph Smith III Memoirs: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/a4b6d687-95b0-4b71-9cb7-3cf6edf191d6/0/18 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/8f147fac-8f8d-40d5-8ecb-a0ec6934a3d3/0/14 Lucy Walker Affidavit: https://archive.org/details/AffidavitsOnCelestialMarriage/MS_3423_5-6/page/n74/mode/1up?view=theater

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsThis is the one. Please watch to the end.Links:-Nauvoo Expositor (Affidavits on pg 2) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O... -Joseph Smith July 16 Sermon: -Franklin D Richars: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... -William Clayton:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... -Levi Richards: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.o... -Willard Richards – Joseph Smith “Journal” https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... -High Council Minuteshttps://archive.org/details/NauvooHig... -Early History of the Reorganization by Edmund C. Briggs (searchable online version)https://www.centerplace.org/library/b... -Nauvoo City Council Minutes: June 8,1844: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... -June 10, 1844:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... --Joseph Smith June 16, 1844 sermonhttps://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap...-Hyrum Smith April 8 Sermon https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.o... -Brigham Young Quote: June 21, 1874 “While we were in England, I think, the Lord manifested to me by visions and by his spirit, things that I did not then understand…Joseph had never mentioned this, there had never been a thought of it in the church that I knew anything about at the time…When I returned home and Joseph revealed these things to me, I then understood the reflections that were upon my mind while in England. But this was not until after I had told him what I understood… this was in 1841; the Revelation was given in 1843, but the doctrine was revealed before this." (Complete Discourses vol 5, pg 1101)-Soon-to-be Vice President of the United States, Schuyler Colfax, June 17, 1865 “... the revelations of the Doctrine and Covenants declared for monogamy, but that polygamy was a later revelation commanded by God to him [Brigham] and a few others, and permitted and advised to the rest of the church” (see, quoted in The Western Galaxy, Vol. I, p. 247)-Happiness Letter:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... Catherine Lewis: https://archive.org/stream/CatherineL... Times and Season Feb. 1, 1844https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital... Times and Seasons March 15, 1844https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital... China Creek Letter Cut from History: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... Times and Seasons April 1, 1844https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital... William Clayton Letter: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.o... William Clayton Affidavit:https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.o... July 12, 1843 Official Business:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/ref... Smith Family Land Deed (Emma and Children):https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... Hyrum Smith Land Deed:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/pap... Joseph Smith Fought Polygamy online:https://restorationbookstore.org/page... vol. 3, chapter 14 - 15 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/010... https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/010... Nauvoo School Announcement:http://boap.org/LDS/Nauvoo-Neighbor/1... (pg 4, 2nd column)Jason Briggs: Basis of Brighamite Polygamyhttps://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/10... William Law 1887 Interview: https://william-law.org/publications/...Video on Nauvoo Counterfeiting: • 704: Were Nauvoo Leaders Counterfeite...

Mormon Stories, #FreeMichelle, Journal of Mormon Polygamy Conference. Lots to talk about!!

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks: Journalofmormonpolygamy.orgUpcoming Appearance on Mormon Stories (Tuesday @ 10:00) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uckiwjN3P2k Almera Johnson Affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/d3cd9608-246b-4a48-9b59-fd88167a4999/0/0Brigham Young's Masonic Cypher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-Ynlp5ToL0&t=484s The Whitney Revelation: https://youtu.be/VC7cMo8kd70?si=ZJ57OLcefByO3s57The Whitney Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjURE2udVY&t=3097sBlessing to Sarah Ann Whitney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu6lyQgvoY&t=108sMormon Stories episode we're responding to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm9ns6cNTdU&t=4336s

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks:Lott Family Bible: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7226d36f-b3a5-4c0e-9d0c-33d87d46ffb4/0/3Joseph F. Smith Reminiscence (re Cornelius Lott): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/dcbc02ae-b054-44d8-9381-de93c8cb9a37/0/20 Like a Fiery Meteor (Biography of Joseph F. Smith: Paperback: https://amzn.to/4hDXHOxKindle: https://amzn.to/3PWMcFZ Nauvoo Sealings, Adoptions and Anointings: https://archive.org/details/nauvoo-sealings-adoptions-and-anointings/page/188/mode/2up?q=corneliusLetter from Rebecca Fausett’s Father: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/memories/KWV9-MFC Sealing Letter re Rebecca Fausett: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/memories/KWV9-MFC Joseph Kingsbury Reminiscence: https://archive.org/details/journal-of-joseph-c-kingsbury/page/n19/mode/2up Malissa Lott Married to John M. Bernhisel: https://archive.org/details/nauvoo-sealings-adoptions-and-anointings/page/26/mode/2up?q=bernhisel Malissa Lott 1869 Affidavits: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/a51f8c5d-45c3-47c5-aad4-be3f363dfca9/0/0 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/37a65922-1a7e-4e6c-9e5b-fa5104b53cbe/0/26Malissa Lott Temple Lot Testimony: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/36737b76-bdd2-4e22-8651-6344aa044cc6/0/3Malissa Lott 1893 Affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/fc70e605-098b-4c92-bb1f-723789e2c0c3/0/0Joseph Smith III Temple Lot Testimony:https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/8c6e3671-c756-4466-9743-4eed647f604c/0/55Joseph Smith III Memoir (middle of page on first link, and next two links): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/a4b6d687-95b0-4b71-9cb7-3cf6edf191d6/0/17https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/a4b6d687-95b0-4b71-9cb7-3cf6edf191d6/0/18https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/8f147fac-8f8d-40d5-8ecb-a0ec6934a3d3/0/14

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsGeneral Conference Search Tool: https://www.lds-general-conference.org/Journal of Discourses: https://jod.mrm.org/ Follow the Prophet Composer Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZLqtCGcEEg Joy D. Jones "Follow the Prophet" Video: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/video/2020-05-0030-follow-prophets-they-speak-for-god?lang=eng Dialogue Journal Spring 1973: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/issues/spring-1973/ 1945 Improvement Era: https://archive.org/details/improvementera4806unse/page/330/mode/1up?view=theaterDialogue Journal, 1845 Article and Letters: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue1901_perspectives.pdfJoseph Smith Journal July 2, 1839: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1839/6#JSPPJ1_d1e68482Wilford Woodruff Journal July 2, 1839: https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/documents/22e14db2-30f8-4a6d-af51-132c66e05d8b/page/9c1d0c73-64db-4c82-aa59-05cb5d425ad2Wilford Woodruff Book of Revelations: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-2-july-1839-as-reported-by-wilford-woodruff-a/1Wilford Woodruff Journal June 25, 1839: https://wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/documents/22e14db2-30f8-4a6d-af51-132c66e05d8b/page/0d648cb5-5a37-4c40-811c-2987af358cf6 Letter to WW Phelps https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-william-w-phelps-22-july-1840/1 Willard Richards Pocket Companion: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/526ad919-662c-4039-b59d-1cbf2edc7b57/0/0 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-2-july-1839-as-reported-by-willard-richards/5#source-noteJoseph Smith Journal 1835 (Exchanges w/ William): https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-1835-1836/81Joseph Smith Quotes:https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-8-april-1843-as-reported-by-william-clayton/1#source-notehttps://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/MStar/id/2302 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-2-10-march-1843-14-july-1843/310 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-1-21-december-1842-10-march-1843/178https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/history-1838-1856-volume-d-1-1-august-1842-1-july-1843/107#source-note https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-relief-society-minute-book/74 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/elders-journal-july-1838/11https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/articles/religious-freedom

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks: Original Keystone Video (Please comment and post this response!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozVY0okFvVs T.E. Lloyd quote: http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/Miss1881.htm Joseph's Vision of Alvin (D&C 137): https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/visions-21-january-1836-dc-137/1Hyrum's May 14, 1844 Sermon: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e8d44719-6577-4503-86b8-1641367be6b9/0/0 Joseph's August 1842 statements about Hyrum and Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/reflections-and-blessings-16-and-23-august-1842/2 Hyrum April 8, 1844 Sermon Transcript: https://web.archive.org/web/20230303190436/https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/transcript/minutes-and-discourses-6-9-april-1844-as-reported-by-thomas-bullock?print=true#6225492112447048673 Testimonies of Joseph Smith's Descendants: https://josephsmithsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Testimonies-from-the-Smiths-of-the-Book-Mormon.pdf Copy of Letter to B.H. Stenhouse: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c875ccf4-42e8-4336-a4a1-608a0e61f880/0/602?lang=eng Katharine's Letter: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100704.pdf William Smith 1845 Letter to Orson Hyde: https://warsaw.advantage-preservation.com/viewer/?t=30053&i=t&by=1845&bdd=1840&bm=11&bd=26&d=11261845-11261845&fn=warsaw_signal_usa_illinois_warsaw_18451126_english_1&df=1&dt=2 William Smith 1893 Letter: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100207.pdf (pg 423) Lucy Mack Smith Biography: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1845/5 Scripture Central on Joseph Smith Sr. https://scripturecentral.org/evidence/joseph-smith-sr Katherine Salisbury Testimony: https://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/BroBill/KStestimony.htmJoseph Smith August 16, 1843 Letter to Emma: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks: Orson Pratt, The Seer: https://archive.org/details/seereditedbyorso01unse/page/30/mode/2up Jennie Anderson Froiseth, Women of Mormondom: https://archive.org/details/womenofmormonism00froi/page/110/mode/2up?q=hand 1869 Affidavits (Emily and Eliza Partridge): https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f73e1f69-32d6-4e09-a2f7-f6eed3bd8316/0/2 Blair's Memoirs: https://www.olivercowdery.com/smithhome/1900s/1908Blair.htmWhitehead Autumn Leaves Sermon: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100050.pdfNewspaper Report of RLDS Conference: http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/Miss1881.htm James Whitehead Obituary: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/71a298a9-e364-463b-9c53-176d57d5cd4d/0/2 D Michael Quinn Dialogue Article: https://www.dialoguejournal.com/articles/joseph-smith-iiis-1844-blessing-and-the-mormons-of-utah/#_ftn66Elder Hinckley 1981 Conference Talk: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1981/04/the-joseph-smith-iii-document-and-the-keys-of-the-kingdom?lang=eng William Smith 1845 Warsaw Signal Article: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f2028077-aba7-46dc-aa11-1adcb48ae348/0/0 RLDS Affidavits, Saints Advocate 1885: https://www.latterdaytruth.org/pdf/100135.pdfJoseph Fielding Smith on Hyrum: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-joseph-fielding-smith/chapter-7-joseph-and-hyrum-smith-witnesses-for-christ?lang=eng

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLink to the Plural Marriage lesson for kids:https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-stories-2025/44-plural-marriage?lang=eng Joseph's anti-polygamy changes to the Bible: 1 Kings 3:14KJV: And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, as thy father David did walk, then I will lengthen thy days.JST And if thou wilt walk in my ways, to keep my statutes and my commandments, then I will lengthen thy days, and thou shalt not walk in unrighteousness as did thy father David.2 Samuel 12:13KJV: And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.JST: And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord. And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath not put away thy sin that thou shalt not die.1 Kings 11:4 KJV: For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.JST: For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with the Lord, his God, and it became as the heart of David, his father.1 Kings 11:6 KJV: And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, and went not fully after the Lord, as did David his father.JST: And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, as David, his father, and went not fully after the Lord.1 Kings 11:33KJV: Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped [other gods] and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.JST: Because that they have forsaken me and have worshipped [other gods] and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and my statutes, and my judgments; and his heart is become as David, his father; and he repenteth not as did David, his father, that I may forgive him.

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LISTEN TO MICHELLE’S INTERVIEW ON JIM BENNETT’S PODCAST!“Was Joseph Smith Really a Polygamist? A Conversation with Michelle Brady Stone”Inside Out with Jim Bennett and Ian WilksSpotifyhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/4w9zq5zU2t6wyi5oW7272VApple Podcastshttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/was-joseph-smith-really-a-polygamist-a/id1682941294?i=1000677116083A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter, by Jim Bennetthttps://scripturecentral.org/archive/books/book/ces-letter-reply-faithful-answers-those-who-doubtPlease consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problems

Correction: I failed to also mention Nick Literski as a foremost scholar on Masonry and a co-author on Method Infinite. Nick's contributions to this field should not go without saying. My apologies for the oversight.Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsBrigham's journal entry: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/36 Joseph Agnew: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/RelEd/id/4124/ https://rsc.byu.edu/nauvoo-temple-story-faith/fate-temple#_noteref-44 Agnes Sutherland: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/the-book-of-the-law-of-the-lord-book-a/114 Tim Rathbone Brigham Young Masonic Connection paper: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tlG5VyYaw0w_UnF752yrp_CxNo3BmvO3/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=112199719519616884882&rtpof=true&sd=true Todd Compton/Tim Rathbone Sunstone panel: https://sunstone.org/elvira-annie-cowles-holmes-smith-relief-society-treasurer-and-joseph-smiths-polyandrous-wife-brigham-young-and-the-masonic-connection/ Mike Reed's blog post: https://culturalmormoncafeteria.blogspot.com/2009/11/brigham-youngs-cipher.html WAS/SAW examples: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/61 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/1c66d65a-8781-4476-b3dc-a12c6db39174/0/68 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/58 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/1c66d65a-8781-4476-b3dc-a12c6db39174/0/65 https://culturalmormoncafeteria.blogspot.com/2009/11/brigham-youngs-cipher.html https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/7caa151f-e878-4cde-9dd2-aa8cb03da3d1/0/78https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/12 https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/biographies-of-josephs-plural-wives/ https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/person/agnes-moulton-coolbrith-pickett

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsCory's website: https://www.templeendowment.com/You can download a free copy of Completing Your Endowment from the website. The discussion on the roadmap that the endowment provides can be found in Chapter 5 -- Priesthood and Temple Keys.The discussion on the penalties is in Chapter 6 --The Endowment's Testimony of Christ. It is in the section labeled "The King's Ransom"

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsLinks:Whitney Horning's Paper: https://132problems.org/refuting-claims-that-hyrum-smith-was-a-polygamist/Hyrum's Affidvait re: Bennett: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-august-1842/10 Letter to Parley P. Pratt: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-parley-p-pratt-and-others-12-june-1842/4 Levi Richards's Journal: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e8d44719-6577-4503-86b8-1641367be6b9/0/0Emily Partridge Temple Lot: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/6ed3a142-524e-4471-852d-51e8ef422647/0/38 Hiram Brown Excommunication: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/notice-circa-1-february-1844/1 Journal re: Orsamus Bostwick: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1842-june-1844-book-3-15-july-1843-29-february-1844/283John Scott affidavit: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deposition-26-february-1844-city-of-nauvoo-v-bostwick/1 Hyrum's letter to China Creek: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9987 Elder's Abroad letter: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8236 Hyrum's postage notice: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/8269 Catherine Phillips Affidavits: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/b412996b-112a-463f-b222-6004ab061793/0/0?lang=eng https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/b3718dc4-9815-4680-be15-9fda16165570/0/0 Catherine Phillips Death Certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6XSQ-WYK?i=13&cc=1747615&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AXZLG-8X1Mercy Thompson's Autobiography: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/f3e7311c-cd9c-4dea-811e-bdb9d973fa26/0/3Copy, Mercy Thompson Letter: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/c6746061-f36c-46ed-8961-03f8c2369d5d/0/100

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Woe Unto You, Scribes: The Hidden History of Polygamyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLbLQR95zj8Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24Patreon.com/132problemsMormon Polygamy Discussion Group:https://www.facebook.com/groups/8025267732063872 Year Anniversary Episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WXFFYd6mXA&t=3030sFirst LDS Polygamist: Joseph or Brigham? by Rob Fotheringhamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5heXE5xS5wEpisode 83: Why It Matters – with Heather and Lisahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonCxTzzdfY

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Responding to David Alexander, Plus, the Whitney Documents, the Journal of Mormon Polygamy, hit-pieces from other channels, and so much more. Let's talk about it!

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Whitney Documents Episodes: (Links to all documents in episode descriptions) Part 3 - The Blessing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihu6lyQgvoY&t=123s Part 2 - The Letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjURE2udVY Part 1 - The Revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC7cMo8kd70&t=2s Journal of Mormon Polygamy Announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j61m9U0WBS4&t=6s

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Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled. I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different. Links: Emma's efforts to avoid being followed to Joseph's hiding place https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/journal-december-1841-december-1842/36 Joseph's letter to Emma, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Emma's response to Joseph, August 16, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-emma-smith-16-august-1842/1 Joseph's letter to the Whitneys, August 18, 1842 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Emma's letters to the governor: https://ensignpeakfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/The-Lady-and-the-Governor-Emma-Hale-Smith%E2%80%99s-and-Thomas-Carlin%E2%80%99s-1842-Correspondence.pdf

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Intro to Gwendolyn's latest video, "Our Best Story": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7atQ07NVd4c Watch full video: "Our Best Story" - Polygamy: An Enemy Has Done This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYuOTM7YWxU Hemlock Knots - excellent church history resource https://hemlockknots.com/

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Mormon Land recently followed-up the Matt Bowman's Salt Lake Tribune article with an interview of Matt and Brooke LeFevre discussing the growing numbers of "Mormon types" who no longer believe Joseph Smith practiced polygamy. Join us as we discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of this interview. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Judge Phillips Temple Lot Decision: https://archive.org/details/decisionofjohnfp00philrich/page/n7/mode/2up

The collection often referred to as "the Whitney documents," which includes contemporary sources written in Joseph's own hand, is generally considered to be the strongest evidence of Joseph's polygamy. Recently multiple historians I have engaged with have gone directly to the Whitney documents to explain to me why the history of Joseph's polygamy is settled. I strongly disagree with them. But, I realized I needed to directly address the Whitney documents to explain why I and many others (hopefully including those who watch this episode) do not see the Whitney collection as evidence of Joseph's polygamy -- but instead as evidence of something very different. Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Links: Short: Joseph's October 5, 1843, Journal Entry https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dSBPzR-UUsQ Sarah Ann Whitney Affidavit: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/ffbd6561-0e91-4a83-b15c-a0b631ed157e/0/0?lang=eng Elizabeth Ann Whitney Affidavit published in Women’s Exponent, A Leaf From an Autobiography: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/WomansExp/id/6381/rec/150 https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/63cd55be-ca21-456f-ac38-eee28d2a8b98/0/0 Joseph C. Kingsbury Reminiscent Autobiography: https://archive.org/details/journal-of-joseph-c-kingsbury/page/n15/mode/2up Orson F. Whitney biography of Newel K. Whitney: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/98b21302-fbb8-437e-887b-9dd52340be1b/0/0 Whitney Revelation: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/revelation-27-july-1842/1#source-note Joseph Smith Letter to Newel and Elizabeth Whitney: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Sarah Ann Whitney Blessing: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-to-newel-k-elizabeth-ann-smith-and-sarah-ann-whitney-18-august-1842/1 Sarah Ann Whitney, Joseph C. Kingsbury Marriage Receipt: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/marriage-certificate-for-joseph-kingsbury-and-sarah-ann-whitney-29-april-1843/1 Nauvoo Marriage Registry, Sarah Ann Whitney/Joseph C. Kingsbury Entry: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-marriage-record-february-1842-january-1846/20 Nauvoo Marriage Ordinance: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/nauvoo-marriage-record-february-1842-january-1846/10 Nauvoo City Council Minutes 2/17/42: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/ordinance-17-february-1842/1 Newel K. Whitney Account Book (pg 100): https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/SCMisc/id/67281 https://user.xmission.com/~research/family/strange.htm#23 October 1, 1842 Times and Seasons Affidavits: https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-october-1842/13 https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/times-and-seasons-1-october-1842/14 Emmaline B. Wells Journals: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/p15999coll20/id/22879/rec/2 https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/emmeline-b-wells/1870s/1875/1875-05?lang=eng Edward Tullidge, Women of Mormondom: https://archive.org/details/womenofmormondom00tullrich/page/368/mode/2up Elizabeth Ann Whitney deed: https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/SCMisc/id/62022 Todd Compton Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMvvmjvQA9w

Links: Mark's channel and newest video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyIzg3Z759s Hemlock Knots website: https://hemlockknots.com/ Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/979188099585330 Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Links: Hemlock Knots https://hemlockknots.com/ Mormon polygamy - timeline of events https://hemlockknots.com/monogamy-polygamy-timeline/ Fanny Alger timeline: https://hemlockknots.com/fanny-algers-timeline-of-events/ First published record of "Fanny Alger" by her full name was in 1881, per Brian Hales: https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Fanny-Alger-Appendix-D.pdf Chapter Index: 0:00 Intro 2:25 Introduction to Hemlock Knots 8:50 Mark's study of polygamy 16:35 Examining sources & discerning truth 22:05 Trusting in the arm of flesh 28:15 Reasons for the 1890 Manifesto 30:00 Different perspectives, same goal 32:25 Sources & logic v. appeals to authority 45:45 Hemlock Knots sources on Fanny Alger 47:25 Perspectives on Brian Hales 48:50 Hemlock Knots polygamy timeline 49:55 Scriptural polygamists v. monogamists 50:50 Resources on origins of tithing 55:50 The Temple Lot court case 1:00:35 First published record of "Fanny Alger" in 1881 (see link) 1:03:10 Brigham, trustee of the new church 1:05:05 Can a 'polygamy denier' stay in the church? 1:08:30 Polygamy research is a collaborative effort 1:12:15 What's really leading people out of the church? 1:27:50 Importance of respectful discussion

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Chapter Index: 0:00 Intro 1:10 Is Brian Hales a "Transparencyist"? 3:20 Hyrum Smith's April 8 1844 speech 7:50 Brian on how Joseph could deny having seven wives 37:45 Speaking evil of the Lord's anointed (Joseph Smith) 39:15 Who's really destroying faith? 40:05 Brian on Emma Smith's denials 52:15 The testimony of traitors 56:35 Brian on William McLellin's claims about Emma 1:03:30 William McLellin robbed the Smiths 1:05:00 Fanny Alger 1:11:05 Emily Partridge & Eliza Snow unreliable witnesses 1:14:10 Joseph Smith III defends his mother 1:22:45 Edmund C. Briggs interview with Emma 1:28:50 RLDS narrative v. LDS narrative 1:37:10 Joseph III's letter to Joseph F. Smith re polygamy 1:50:25 Did Emma push Eliza R. Snow down the stairs? 1:56:15 Outro

Whitney, Jeremy, and Michelle's next panel discussion, on Joseph's "carefully worded denials." What exactly did Joseph Smith say about polygamy and the accusations against him? Does calling them "carefully worded denials" or "dodging" sufficiently explain Joseph's continual and consistent statements opposing polygamy? Does the explanation of the apologists stand up to scrutiny? Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Larry King interview with President Gordon B. Hinckley: https://youtu.be/jAsNMWwRXvs?si=BFxAv-Yau364_KgY&t=877 Gospel Teachings about Lying, by Dallin H. Oaks https://archive.org/details/oaksgospelteachingsaboutlyingclarkmemorandumspring1994/page/n1/mode/2up Ep. 117: William Henry Harrison Sagers: More Historical Malpractice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLQoBUKWao Chapter Index 0:00 Intro 1:30 Recap: No reasons given for polygamy? 9:40 Can prophets repent? 13:25 Modern Korihors? 19:15 Prophets should have answers - Amos 3:7 20:40 Pres. Hinckley condemns polygamy as a practice (link in description) 22:30 Church losing members because of polygamy teachings 25:00 Joseph & his "wives" had sexless marriages?? 28:55 Brian Hales' statements about Joseph's denials 29:25 "Lying for the Lord" 34:05 Dallin H. Oaks - gospel teachings on lying (link in description) 43:55 Denying Joseph's denials 47:55 "Spiritual wifery" 54:25 "Celestial plural marriage" & the doctrine of many wives & concubines 1:15:25 Joseph brings charges against Harrison Sagers (ep. link in description) 1:28:00 Joseph's fight against polygamy 1:37:40 The Voice of Innocence 1:42:05 Outro

Two PhD Historians specializing in Mormon history spoke out this week about "polygamy deniers." Did it it help or hurt their credibility? Is there hope for better engagement? Link to Matt Bowman's Tribune article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8dDuXeyUw8&t=5s (Without the paywall): https://www.removepaywall.com/https:/www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/06/23/matthew-bowman-why-more-more?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR2dTxjIlDpdeS2212gIHDlxCUhz0zNip8g_fUvPE2kOikkPE_eQvUIqjOE_aem_mTyRBm5OMK42oXctoovbOQ Link to Michelle's reply (declined by the Tribune): https://132problems.org/the-real-reasons-more-and-more-mormon-types-are-denying-joseph-smith-practiced-polygamy/ Link to Ben Park's tiktok response: https://www.tiktok.com/@benjaminepark/video/7384855617909034286

A lot has happened since our last call-in show! Let's meet and discuss all that has been going on. From constant attacks by crazy (alleged former) cult leaders, to interviews with actual polygamists and our accelerating efforts to poke holes in the Brian Hales polygamy narrative, there is a lot to talk about!Chapter Index:0:00 Intro1:10 Joseph's journal entry7:10 Jacob 2 & Malachi 210:20 Jeff - Brigham Young and D&C 12618:30 Inconsistencies in the D&C19:35 Joseph - Comment about Section 13221:20 Tim - D&C sections added later21:50 Dixie - Jesus chose Judas24:30 Mason - Wasn't God aware of Brigham's polygamy?24:50 Rayetta - Why did Mary Fielding Smith follow Brigham?32:05 Camry - David Alexander videos39:00 Lauren - Michelle's example of non-defensiveness41:45 Lauren - Jesus, SLC Temple, and Tartaria?46:30 Ross - Sealing keys and Joseph Smith51:40 Ross - Polygamy in ancient times58:55 Benjamin - Word of Wisdom and Brigham Young1:05:20 Mack - Is Brigham in heaven with his many wives?1:11:50 Kwaku - writing analysis of Section 1321:13:50 Kwaku - Freemasonry; 132 & the god of many wives & concubines1:19:40 Chrissy - Did Joseph pass the keys to the Twelve before he died?1:21:55 Emma - Engaging with other Christians1:23:10 Hank - Chief Midegah1:25:00 Andrew - Joseph Kingsbury's journal1:34:20 Leslie - Wendy Nelson; polygamy in the next life; trust in the Lord1:40:15 Alexander - Willard Richards, "the great event of 1844"1:42:00 Tiani - Matthew Bowman's opinion piece in the Salt Lake Tribune1:45:30 Tim - William Clayton journals1:46:50 God's blessings; Michelle's speaking experience

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems Ep. 87: Exposing the Expositor Pt. 3 (For more on the McMurrin family story) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac_bW82iivA&t=2700s Ep. 58: Sariah and the Matriarchs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpird_sEvOw&t=125s 0:00 Intro 1:30 Did Denver Snuffer put Michelle up to this? 8:05 Context of Jacob chapter 2 22:30 Was Lehi a polygamist? 26:20 What is “celestial plural marriage”? 34:05 Is monogamy selfish? 36:00 Equality of men and women vs. a hierarchy 41:20 Which of Brigham’s doctrines does Benjamin disagrees with? 48:05 Brigham’s Adam-God doctrine 1:00:10 Is polygamy required for exaltation? 1:03:10 Polygamy devalues marriage 1:05:35 Keys and marriage 1:10:10 Blood atonement 1:19:42 The question of racism 1:26:00 The question of slavery 1:38:50 Young girls and polygamy 1:49:50 The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy 1:52:10 The Restoration without polygamy 2:01:00 Agreeing that The Book of Mormon is anti-polygamy 2:03:30 Outro

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems 0:00 Intro 5:40 Mormon Fundamentalists experience 9:35 Benjamin‘s background 29:45 Exploring other sects of Mormonism 40:15 Benjamin meeting general authorities 46:20 Thoughts on SLC Temple renovations 48:35 Changes to temple ordinances 57:15 Church break-off groups 1:00:30 Fundamentalist temples 1:11:00 Kirkland Temple 1:18:15 Joseph Smith’s polygamy 1:20:25 Is the history settled? 1:21:20 Is polygamy of God? 1:31:10 Polygamy scholars 1:32:50 Post-manifesto polygamy 1:35:15 Joseph F. Smith - defending polygamy, protecting the church 1:40:30 Lying for the Lord 1:42:05 Covenants 1:47:15 Martyrs for polygamy? 1:50:50 Women in Utah 1:52:15 Violence and polygamy 1:56:48 What does the evidence say?

Please consider supporting this podcast: Venmo: @Michelle-Stone-24 Patreon.com/132problems The second (and best) half of our first panel discussion on Brian Hales' false claims and opaque "transparency." We discuss Brian's oft repeated claim that no leader (or "keyholder" LOL) ever said why God "commanded" polygamy. There is an embarrassment of riches when choosing quotes to expose just how seriously false this claim is. It was amazing to see what we each came up with. Good stuff in this one! I'm hoping Brian and others will take notice that lies will not stand. We take these and all other scriptures seriously: "Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven— These should then be attended to with great earnestness. Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things." (D&C 123:13-15) https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/123?lang=eng Links: Orson Pratt, The Seer: https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/2719f45e-8475-4fc4-823a-ab193aefa084/0/136 Brigham Young, July 14, 1855: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, pp. 264-268 https://jod.mrm.org/3/264 Erastus Snow October 4, 1857: Journal of Discourses, Volume 5, pp. 285-292 https://jod.mrm.org/5/285 Heber C. Kimball Feb 1 1857 : Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp. 207-213 https://jod.mrm.org/4/207 Brigham Young, July 6, 1862: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, pg. 322 https://jod.mrm.org/9/318 Brigham Young, August 9 1868: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 12, pg. 261 https://jod.mrm.org/12/255 John Taylor 1883: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 24, pg. 229 https://jod.mrm.org/24/227 John Taylor Revelation Sept 27, 1886: Brian Hales paper, https://mormonpolygamydocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/1886-Revelation-article.pdf Joseph F. Smith, July 7, 1878: Journal of Discourses, vol. 20, pg. 28 https://jod.mrm.org/20/24 George Q. Cannon November 16, 1884: Journal of Discourses, vol. 25, pp. 360-371 https://jod.mrm.org/25/360 Brigham Young, August 19, 1866: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11 pg. 268 https://jod.mrm.org/11/266 December 19, 1891 Petition for amnesty https://digitalcommons.law.ou.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=7160&context=indianserialset Chapters: 0:00 Intro 2:30 Polygamy damages marriages 10:05 Brian Hales: We don’t know why God commanded polygamy 20:15 Orson Pratt's reasons for polygamy 25:10 Prostitution or polygamy? 42:45 Brigham Young’s reasons for polygamy 50:00 Polygamy required for exaltation? 59:50 Erastus Snow: a woman’s lord is her husband? 1:02:20 Heber C. Kimball: thousands of wives! 1:03:50 Brigham Young: monogamy is no part of heaven 1:09:30 Brigham Young: polygamy for moral salvation of world 1:11:15 Joseph F. Smith: polygamy essential for highest blessings 1:16:00 George Q. Cannon: few righteous men, so we need polygamy? 1:18:00 Bloodlines 1:19:29 Q12, John Taylor: polygamy necessary to salvation 1:32:51 Brian Hales' narrative destroys faith 1:34:25 Final thoughts

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