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Covenant & Conflict
by Gateway Center for Israel
"Covenant & Conflict" is a thought-provoking podcast produced by the “Gateway Center for Israel” and hosted by Nic Lesmeister and David Blease, where ancient biblical truths meet contemporary issues head-on. Each episode offers a deep dive into complex and often divisive topics with subject matter experts, aiming to explore the intersection of covenantal values and modern debates. Instead of fostering division, this podcast seeks to model respectful engagement and peaceful discourse amidst conflict.
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Torah, Jesus, and Identity: The Tension No One Talks About
What happens when a Jewish man finds Yeshua, but refuses to stop being Jewish?In this powerful episode of Covenant & Conflict, we sit down again with Rocket Rudolph, a Torah-observant Jewish follower of Jesus, to wrestle through one of the most misunderstood tensions in Christianity:Can you follow Jesus and still remain Jewish?What does “Torah observant” actually mean today?Did the early Church unintentionally create division in Acts 15?And why does the word “Christ” feel complicated for many Jewish followers of Yeshua.This conversation goes far beyond theology, it’s about identity, calling, and the deeper story most believers have never been told.From the meaning of Israel (“to wrestle with God”) to the real implications of Torah, exile, and Messiah, this episode challenges both Gentile Christians and Jewish believers to rethink what faithfulness really looks like.Along the way, we unpack:Why being “chosen” might not mean what you thinkThe difference between Jewish and Greek ways of thinkingHow the gospel is often told… and what’s missingWhy antisemitism is ultimately a spiritual issueAnd what it really means to live “through” Messiah00:00 – Intro: The Jewish Wrestle Begins Again02:15 – What Does It Mean to Be “Chosen”? (It’s Not What You Think)08:10 – Torah Observance: Law, Identity, or Something Deeper?15:30 – Acts 15: The Decision That Changed Everything24:50 – “Christ” vs “Messiah”: Did Translation Shift Theology?34:10 – Why Antisemitism Is More Than Political (It’s Spiritual)45:20 – The Gospel We Preach vs The Gospel in Scripture55:00 – Final Thought: Don’t Stop Wrestling
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Is Israel Breaking International Law? The Truth About Genocide, the UN, and Gaza with Andrew Tucker
In this long-awaited episode of Covenant & Conflict, we sit down with international lawyer Andrew Tucker to unpack one of the most misunderstood and controversial topics in the world today: Israel and international law.From accusations of genocide to debates over occupation, settlements, and the United Nations, this conversation brings clarity to the legal language dominating headlines and social media.If you’ve ever wondered:What international law actually isWhether Israel is committing genocideWhy the UN constantly targets IsraelWhat “occupation” and “settlements” really meanOr how the modern conflict connects to biblical themes…this episode will help you think clearly and respond intelligently.Andrew Tucker serves with a legal think tank focused on Israel and international law, advising at the highest levels—including the UN. He brings both legal expertise and a deep understanding of the spiritual and historical dimensions behind the conflict.This is not just a political conversation. It’s about truth, clarity, and understanding one of the most important issues of our time.⸻Chapters00:00 – Why Israel Is So Controversial Right Now00:02:10 – Biblical vs Political Israel: Why It’s So Complex00:13:52 – What Is “International Law” (Really)?00:24:59 – Are Israeli Settlements Illegal?00:45:19 – What Is Genocide? (Legal Definition Explained)00:50:54 – Is Israel Committing Genocide in Gaza?01:03:59 – Who Owns the West Bank? (Legal Breakdown)01:06:04 – Why a Two-State Solution Keeps Failing
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What Christians Need to Know About Islam Right Now | Nathaniel Buzolic
What should Christians really believe about Islam, and why does it matter right now?In this powerful and unfiltered episode of Covenant & Conflict, we sit down with Nathaniel Buzolic (Nate Buzz) to explore one of the most important and misunderstood topics in the Church today: Islam, Christianity, and the truth about Jesus (Yeshua).This conversation goes far beyond headlines. We dive into the theological foundations of Islam, how it compares to the Bible, and why so many believers feel unprepared to engage with it. From the identity of Jesus to the story of Israel, from history to modern conflict, this episode challenges Christians to think clearly, biblically, and courageously in a cultural moment filled with confusion.At the heart of this discussion is a deeper question: is this simply a difference of religion, or is there a much bigger spiritual reality unfolding? As Nate shares from personal experience and study, the conversation reveals why understanding Islam is not optional for the modern believer; it’s essential.“This is not just political… this is a spiritual battle.”Our heart in this episode is not to attack people, but to pursue truth. We believe real love requires clarity, and real clarity leads us back to the person of Jesus and the story God is telling through Israel and the nations.If you’ve ever wrestled with questions like What does Islam actually teach? How is Jesus viewed in Islam vs the Bible? How should Christians respond?—This episode will challenge, equip, and stretch you.00:00 Introduction: Why Christians Must Understand Islam02:05 Meet Nathaniel Buzolic (Nate Buzz)05:30 Israel, Suffering, and Rising Global Tensions12:10 Christianity: Religion or Jewish Movement?20:15 What Islam Teaches vs. What People Assume32:40 Jesus (Yeshua) in the Bible vs Islam48:55 End Times, Spiritual Battle, and What’s Coming1:05:10 How Christians Should Respond with Truth & LoveSubscribe for more conversations on Israel, theology, and the intersection of ancient truth and modern conflict.
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Between Judaism & Christianity: A Messianic Story with Joshua Aaron
In this powerful episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, we sit down with Joshua Aaron to unpack one of the most complex and misunderstood topics in the Church today: the relationship between Judaism, Christianity, and the identity of Israel.Joshua shares his deeply personal story. He grew up between Orthodox Judaism and Christianity, encountered Yeshua as the Jewish Messiah, and now lives in the tension as a Messianic Jewish believer. From Holocaust family history to a miraculous reunion decades later, to raising children in Israel during war, this conversation is raw, emotional, and incredibly timely. We also address some of the hardest questions believers are asking right now.Has the Church replaced Israel?What is replacement theology, and is it biblical?Why is antisemitism rising again, even among Christians?How should believers view modern Israel?What does Scripture actually say about Israel’s future?This episode brings clarity, historical perspective, and a Spirit-led call to discern truth in a confusing cultural moment.If you have wrestled with Israel, the Church, or your theology around both, this conversation is for you.Video from Joshua Aaron's YouTube of his mother reuniting with her brother: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo_4BWkItRgTopics CoveredMessianic JudaismReplacement theology explainedJewish identity and the gospelAntisemitism in the ChurchJewish believers in JesusFaith in the middle of war
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An Ethiopian Jewish Journey to Messiah with David Safafa
What happens when an Ethiopian Jewish man, raised in deep tradition, encounters Yeshua (Jesus) in a dream that changes everything?In this powerful episode of Covenant & Conflict, we sit down with David Safafa, an Ethiopian Jewish believer and leader in Israel, as he shares his incredible journey from growing up in a remote Jewish community in Gonder, Ethiopia, to immigrating to Israel during Operation Moses, and ultimately discovering the Messiah.This is more than a story… It's a testimony of identity, sacrifice, calling, and revival in Israel today.What You'll Hear in This Episode:Life as an Ethiopian Jew before modern connection to global JudaismThe shocking discovery of Jewish identity connections through DNAThe journey to Israel during Operation MosesA life-changing dream encounter with YeshuaThe cost of following Messiah — rejection, loss, and perseveranceThe birth of the Beresheet Congregation — the first Hebrew-speaking Ethiopian Messianic communityA growing revival among young people in IsraelWhy believers around the world need to pray for Israel right nowWhy This Story MattersGod is moving in Israel. From Ethiopian Jews to native-born Israelis, there is a rising hunger for truth and identity in the Messiah. David's story is a glimpse into a larger movement that connects the Jewish roots of the faith, the restoration of Israel, and the global Body of Messiah.If you care about:IsraelEnd times prophecyThe Jewish roots of ChristianityRevival among the nations…this episode is for you.00:00 Introduction – Ethiopian Jewish Believer from Israel03:47 Growing Up Jewish in Ethiopia06:53 Journey to Israel – Operation Moses & Aliyah Story10:12 Encountering Yeshua in a Dream (Radical Transformation)14:50 The Cost of Following Messiah (Rejection & Faith)16:08 Calling & Launching a Congregation in Israel24:04 A Hebrew-Speaking Revival Among Young Israelis26:48 What God Is Doing in Israel Right Now (End Times)30:11 How to Pray for Israel & Stand with the Body of MessiahGet InvolvedDavid and the Beresheet Congregation are seeing a real revival in Israel, especially among the next generation.Pray for:Strength for leadersUnity among Jewish and Gentile believersContinued openness to the Gospel in IsraelStand with Israel. Stand with the Body of Messiah.Subscribe for MoreIf you're passionate about:Biblical truth in modern issuesIsrael and the ChurchReal conversations that matterSubscribe to Covenant & Conflict and join the conversation.
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A Practical Guide to Israel, The End Times, and the Return of Jesus | Ben Juster (Tikkun America)
What did Yeshua actually say must happen before His return, and what does that mean for how we live right now?In this episode of Covenant & Conflict, David Blease sits down with Ben Juster (President of a network of Messianic Jewish congregations through Tikkun America) for a deeply practical, Scripture-grounded conversation on Israel, the End Times, and the return of Jesus without date-setting, fear, or internet conspiracy vibes.You’ll hear why end-times teaching can become a “minefield,” what Matthew 24:14 means for the global mission, why Jerusalem and the Jewish people still matter in God’s covenant plan, and how preparing for the return of Yeshua looks less like panic and more like holiness, godliness, unity, gospel witness, and enduring suffering with hope.This one is for anyone who’s asked:Are we in the “season” of Yeshua’s return?What role does Israel play in the last days?Why does the Bible still speak of Israel and the nations together?How should believers respond to rising antisemitism and anti-Israel sentiment?Does my end-times framework change how I live?Resources mentionedIsrael, the Church, and the Last Days (Asher Intrater & Dan Juster)Tikkun America / Tikkun Global (see links below)Connect with Ben / TikkunTikkun America: tikkunamerica.orgTikkun Global: tikkunglobal.orgIf this helped you, subscribe, share it with a friend who’s confused about Revelation, and drop a comment: What’s the most practical takeaway you’ve heard about the End Times?Chapters00:00 — Welcome + Why End Times Conversations Get Heated00:31 — Who Ben Juster Is + Messianic Judaism’s Modern Roots04:19 — Avoiding Fear & Date-Setting: Where to Start Biblically06:44 — Matthew 24:14 + The Gospel to Every Nation10:44 — Jesus Says “You Will Not See Me Again Until…” + Israel’s Role21:29 — How to Prepare for Yeshua’s Return: Holiness vs Godliness44:31 — Antisemitism, Replacement Theology, and Standing with Israel
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Pressing Pause: Starting Sabbath
Are modern Christians missing the gift of the Sabbath?In a world addicted to productivity, burnout, and constant noise, what if the Fourth Commandment isn’t a burden, but an invitation?In this episode of Covenant & Conflict, we sit down with Michael Hirsh, author of Pressing Pause: A Guide to Sabbath Rest for Modern Believers, to explore how rediscovering Shabbat transformed his faith, marriage, and ministry.Michael shares his radical conversion story from growing up without faith in Michigan to leaving the dream of baseball behind to pursue Jesus. But the real turning point came years later in Jerusalem, during a Shabbat dinner that he describes as a “Damascus moment.” What he discovered about the command to “Remember the Sabbath” changed everything.This episode unpacks:What the Fourth Commandment really meansWhy Sabbath is not legalismThe burnout epidemic in modern ChristianityHow Shabbat restores identity and communion with GodPractical steps to start observing Sabbath todayIf you are a pastor, leader, high achiever, or simply exhausted… this conversation may be exactly what your soul needs.
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The Modern Messianic Movement Explained with Dr. Dan Juster
What is the theological foundation of the Messianic Jewish movement? Should Jewish believers in Jesus remain Jewish? And why does replacement theology continue to distort how the Church reads Scripture?In this deeply important conversation, Preston Benjamin sits down with Dr. Dan Juster, founding member of numerous Messianic Jewish assemblies, unions, and congregations. Today, we explore the history, theology, and future of the Messianic Jewish Movement.Drawing from decades of leadership and scholarship, Dr. Juster shares his personal journey from training as a Presbyterian pastor to helping pioneer the modern Messianic Jewish movement. What began as scholarly research into early Jewish faith within the Church became a lifelong conviction that Jewish followers of Yeshua are called to maintain their Jewish identity and covenantal responsibility within the New Covenant.We discuss:The historical roots of Messianic JudaismWhy Jewish believers in Jesus are called to live as Jews• The founding vision behind the UMJC in 1979What “Jewish life in a concrete historical community” truly meansThe principle of mutual blessing between Jews and GentilesThe theological dangers of the One Law movementThe global effort to repudiate replacement theologyPractical steps churches can take to align with God’s covenant purposes for IsraelDr. Juster makes a compelling biblical case that the Messianic Jewish movement is not a fringe expression of Christianity but a necessary restoration within the body of Messiah. He argues that Jewish continuity in Yeshua is essential to God’s redemptive plan and that the Church must move beyond supersessionism to faithfully understand Scripture.If you care about Israel, covenant theology, Jewish identity in Christ, or the future relationship between the Church and the Jewish people, this episode will challenge and equip you.This is not merely a historical discussion. It is a conversation about God’s ongoing covenant faithfulness and what obedience looks like today.Subscribe for more conversations at the intersection of theology, Israel, and the Church.FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:• https://instagram.com/CenterForIsrael• https://www.facebook.com/CenterForIsrael• https://twitter.com/CenterForIsrael• https://www.linkedin.com/company/gateway-center-for-israelLEARNING RESOURCES:• Getting Started — Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-started• Israel Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-prayer-guide• Perspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers
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Hollywood Actor Finds Jesus & Stands with Israel with Nathaniel Buzolic
In this powerful conversation, David Blease sits down with Nathaniel Buzolic (known to many as “Nate Buzz”) to trace his extraordinary journey from Hollywood fame to radical faith, and from personal brokenness to becoming one of the most outspoken Christian advocates for Israel today.After moving to the United States in his early twenties, years of rejection in Hollywood finally led to a breakout role on The Vampire Diaries, but success did not bring peace.Choosing to follow Jesus publicly strained his career, complicated relationships on set, and forced him to confront what it truly means to surrender everything to God.After experiencing deep betrayal and heartache, Nathaniel desired to give up on life, left Hollywood, and traveled to Iraq during the Syrian civil war, volunteering with humanitarian efforts on the ground. In a moment of total surrender, he gave his life fully to God, leading him to read the entire Bible in 28 days and igniting a life-altering calling tied directly to Israel.Since then, Nathaniel has led countless believers through the Holy Land, helping Christians understand the Jewish foundations of their faith. After the October 7 Hamas attacks, he returned to Israel to document survivor stories, stand with the Jewish people, and speak truth in the midst of global confusion.In May 2024, Nathaniel made history as the first non-Israeli, non-Jewish person ever invited to light the torch at Israel’s Independence Day ceremony, exactly seven years after his first visit to the land.This episode also tackles:God’s covenant with IsraelWhy replacement theology fails biblicallyThe rebirth of Israel in 1948 fulfilled prophecyWhy Christians cannot understand Scripture without IsraelWhat it means to live out “promise made, promise kept.”Whether you’re wrestling with faith, Israel, end-times theology, or what it truly costs to follow Jesus, this episode will challenge and inspire you.0:00 – From Poverty to Hollywood8:35 – Landing Vampire Diaries14:15 – The Moment Jesus Became Real22:11 – Betrayal & Rock Bottom25:29 – Iraq, ISIS & Surrender32:28 – Reading the Bible in 28 Days34:39 – God Said “Go” to Israel43:10 – October 7th & The Spiritual War48:34 – Lighting Israel’s Independence Torch
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Heartcry of David: Prophetic Worship Connecting Israel and the Church
What does biblical unity between Jewish and Gentile believers actually look like in practice, not just theology, but lived relationships?In this episode, Micah and Abby Mahoney of Heartcry of David share their powerful journey into a ministry centered on reconciliation, worship, and covenantal unity. With backgrounds spanning Christian, Pentecostal, and Messianic Jewish spaces, they describe how God led them to confront a deep disconnect within the Body of Messiah and to pursue a vision rooted in Scripture, humility, and love.Heartcry of David was born out of a conviction that King David understood something profound about the Messiah and Jew-Gentile unity, and that this revelation still matters today. What began in 2015–2016 as an audacious, underfunded international worship project has since grown into multiple collaborative efforts across Israel, the UK, and Italy, bringing believers together through worship, Scripture, and shared spiritual inheritance.Rather than transactional encounters or one-directional ministry, Micah and Abby emphasize genuine, bilateral relationships; recognizing that Israeli believers are not just recipients of ministry, but are also called to minister to the nations. Throughout the conversation, they offer practical wisdom for believers who want to engage God’s heart for Israel in a healthy, biblical way: through prayer, teaching, and real relationships.This episode is a compelling invitation to rethink unity, calling, and what it means to walk faithfully in God’s redemptive story.Learn more about Heart Cry of David: https://heartcryvedavid.comFind them on YouTube & Spotify
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The Inquisition and the Jewish People: Faith, Persecution, and Survival
In this gripping episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, we sit down with Rabbi Matheus Guimarães, a Messianic Jewish leader from Brazil, to uncover one of the most tragic, and least told chapters of Jewish history: the Sephardic Jews and the Spanish & Portuguese Inquisition.Through his own family’s astonishing testimony, Rabbi Matheus reveals how millions of Jews were forcibly converted, hunted, silenced, and yet somehow survived, preserving Jewish faith, identity, and memory in secret. We explore the rise of Messianic Judaism in Brazil and the creation of a groundbreaking museum housing 500 years of preserved documents, artifacts, and testimonies that expose how Jews carried their faith underground and across the Atlantic.In this episode, we explore:The roots of the Sephardic Jewish Communities in Spain & PortugalThe “Golden Age” of Jewish learning—and how it fueled the European RenaissanceWhy Portugal’s forced conversions were even more brutal than Spain’sThe Inquisition’s relentless targeting of the Anusim (the forced-ones)The expulsions of 1492 and the forced baptisms of 1497How Jewish families escaped to Brazil and rebuilt their faith in secretThe explosive growth of Messianic Jewish congregations in Brazil todayWhy understanding our Jewish foundation is essential for the ChurchHow modern antisemitism mirrors Spain, Portugal, and pre-WWII EuropeThis conversation is historical, prophetic, and deeply personal, a sobering reminder that the past is never truly past, and that Jewish identity has always endured, even in the darkest hours.If you care about Jewish history, the Inquisition, Sephardic Jews, Messianic Judaism, Jewish-Christian relations, Brazil’s hidden Jewish roots, or the rise of antisemitism today, this episode is essential viewing.
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What Does It Mean to Be the House of God? A Messianic Worship Perspective
In this powerful episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, we sit down with Shilo Ben Hod, founder of SOLU Israel, for a deeply moving conversation about worship, identity, obedience, and the move of God unfolding in Israel today.Shilo shares his extraordinary journey of encountering Yeshua, surrendering his life, and stepping into a calling that would lead him into Hebrew worship, desert gatherings, and full-time ministry in the Judean Desert. From prophetic confirmation to learning how to live in God’s presence, not performance, this testimony will stir anyone longing to walk faithfully in their God-given calling.We explore the heart behind Hebrew worship, the story of the Hebrew Gospels, and what it means to truly live in alignment with the name and identity God gives you. Shilo opens up about hearing God’s voice, resisting comparison and fear, and saying “yes” when obedience costs everything.If you’re passionate about Israel, worship, biblical identity, prophetic calling, or Messianic Jewish testimony, this conversation will challenge, inspire, and encourage you to walk boldly in obedience.– Subscribe for more conversations at the intersection of Scripture, Israel, and the gospel. – Share this episode with someone seeking clarity in their calling.
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God's Name Explained: YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, Yehova
What is the true name of God? In this episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, Nehemia Gordon explores the history, meaning, and pronunciation of YHWH, including Yahweh vs Jehovah, through ancient Hebrew manuscripts, the Talmud, Dead Sea Scrolls, and early Christian sources.We discuss why God’s name appears over 6,800 times in the Hebrew Bible, why it stopped being spoken, how Jewish and Christian traditions diverged, and how Jesus and the New Testament reference the divine name. This conversation breaks down common misconceptions and examines what the name actually means: He was, He is, and He will be.If you’re interested in biblical Hebrew, the name of God, YHWH pronunciation, Jesus’ Hebrew roots, or Scripture’s original context, this episode is for you.
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Reject Replacement Theology & Embrace Revival with David Blease & Joakim Lundquvist
In this episode of the Covenant and Conflict Podcast, we sit down with Pastor Joakim Lundqvist to explore his powerful journey of faith, the unique story of his church in Sweden, and his deep heart for Israel and the Jewish people.Pastor Joakim shares how revival first broke out in his life as a teenager, how he helped build a church movement that now impacts nations across Europe and Asia, and how a prophetic word prepared his church for an unexpected wave of Middle Eastern refugees who would ultimately encounter Jesus.Together, we talk about the biblical foundation for blessing Israel, the dangers of replacement theology, the call of both Jews and Gentiles in God’s redemptive plan, and the modern tensions surrounding Israel today. Pastor Joakim also shares compelling stories from Israel, insights on reaching the next generation, and why experiencing the Land firsthand transforms how believers read the Bible.If you’re seeking clarity on Israel, the Middle East, or how to stand with a biblical worldview, this conversation will encourage and equip you.
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Israel and the Nations: The Battle for Judeo-Christian Values with Israeli Knesset Member, Ohad Tal
In this episode of Covenant and Conflict, Pastor Ryan Warren sits down with Israeli Knesset member Ohad Tal for a deep and honest conversation about faith, identity, and Israel’s role in today’s world. Ohad shares his journey into politics, the importance of Jewish and Christian partnership, and how Israel is working with Muslim leaders throughout the Middle East. He addresses common misconceptions about Zionism, apartheid, and colonialism, while explaining why the Israel–America alliance is strategically and spiritually significant.They also discuss the cultural and spiritual challenges facing both nations, the need to protect Judeo-Christian values, and how genuine dialogue can bridge division in an increasingly polarized world. If you’re seeking clarity on Israel, the Middle East, or the purpose behind the growing unity between Jews and Christians, this episode offers valuable insight.
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Torah-Observant Jewish Man Finds Yeshua Through The Chosen | David Blease & Rocket Rudolph
In this profoundly moving episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, host David Blease sits down with Rocket Rudolph, a Torah-observant Jewish follower of Yeshua, to share his remarkable journey of faith from Orthodox Judaism to a life-changing encounter with the Living God sparked by the television series "The Chosen."In this episode, Rocket shares his experience growing up Jewish, his early encounters with Jesus-believers, and years of faithful Torah observance, living immersed in Orthodox Judaism in London and New York.Rocket shares his pain, loss, and spiritual emptiness that led him to a breaking point in Brazil. His journey took an unexpected turn when he was encouraged to watch "The Chosen," and his life mirrored a scene between a man and Yeshua (Jesus).Hear how Rocket now interprets living a Torah-Observant life as a Jewish Man following Yeshua Messiah.This is an incredible story of identity, redemption, and restoration, which is proof that God still meets us in the most unexpected places.Subscribe for more conversations on faith, Israel, and the unity of Jew and Gentile in Messiah.
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Arab Christian From Bethlehem: How Believers Should View Israel
In this compelling episode of the Covenant & Conflict Podcast, Arab Christian pastor Steven Khoury from Bethlehem shares what it’s like to live out his faith in the middle of the Israel–Palestine conflict.Born in Jerusalem and raised in Bethlehem, Steven shares his personal journey of persecution, ministry, and hope. He discusses:What life is really like for Arab Christians in the West Bank (Biblical Judea & Samaria)The difference between political opinions and biblical truth about IsraelWhy God’s covenant with Israel still standsHow followers of Jesus can love both sides without compromiseThis heartfelt interview brings a powerful message of unity, faith, and God’s redemptive plan for the Middle East. Watch more conversations about faith, Israel, and the Gospel at work in the Holy Land.#Israel #Palestine #MiddleEastChristianity #CovenantAndConflict #ChristianPodcast
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Chief Rabbi Sees Yeshua and Defies the Nazis: When Jews and Christians Stood Together
This episode of Covenant and Conflict shares the true story of Rabbi Daniel Zion, the chief rabbi of Bulgaria during World War II. After a profound vision of Yeshua as the Messiah, Rabbi Zion partnered with Metropolitan Stefan, a leader in the Bulgarian Orthodox Church, to resist Nazi orders and protect the Jewish community. Together, they helped save over 50,000 Bulgarian Jews from deportation and death.Though Rabbi Zion later faced rejection from his own community because of his Messianic faith, his legacy endures through the testimony of those he saved and through a new book written by the guest’s family. The episode reflects on faith under pressure, the courage to stand for righteousness, and the enduring bond between Jews and Gentiles in the face of darkness.
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The Theology of Hell: Jewish Insights, Christian Tradition, and Theological Tensions with Dr. Dan Call
The Bible’s teaching on Hell can be challenging. Much of our knowledge about Hell comes from the words of Jesus himself, but what did his Jewish audience understand at the time? In this conversation, we sit down with Dr. Dan Call, Chair of the Department of Doctoral Studies and Professor of Practical Theology, to explore these questions.In the Hebrew Scriptures and in Jewish thought, “Hell” was less about eternal damnation and more about purification or temporary separation. Jesus speaks about both immediate and long-term consequences of our choices, urging people to recognize him as the Son of Man and Messiah.Scholars continue to debate whether Hell represents eternal punishment or ultimate annihilation. Still, the greater emphasis of the New Testament is not on Hell itself but on the gift of eternal life that Jesus offers. But is the opposite of eternal life, endless torment? Or separation from God?If you are seeking a deeper understanding of the biblical view of Hell, the different scholarly perspectives, and the tension between Jewish and Christian theologies on eternal punishment, check out this episode.#BibleStudy #EternalLife #HellInTheBible #JewishThought #JesusTeaching #HeavenAndHell #ChristianTheology #MessianicFaith
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Is the Pro-Israel Church out of Proportion? A letter to Gateway sparks conversation: with Hannah Morton
Welcome back to Covenant and Conflict, the podcast from the Gateway Center for Israel where faith meets one of the world’s most complex conversations.In this episode, we sit down with Hannah Morton, whose journey into this topic began when she noticed how “pro-Israel” our church was. While she deeply understood the theology and biblical priority of Israel and the Jewish people, she began asking a bold and uncomfortable question: Is our love for Isaac unintentionally leaving Ishmael in the corner?Hannah shares how her upbringing near Native American reservations shaped her heart for empathy and tension—an invaluable perspective when looking at the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Together, we wrestle with questions at the intersection of biblical theology and real-world conflict:• How do we honor God’s covenant with Israel while embracing His image in all people?• What happens when our passion for one group causes us to overlook another?• Why is humility and a refusal to oversimplify vital for this conversation?This is not an easy dialogue—but it’s an essential one. If you’ve ever wondered how to faithfully navigate the tension between God’s covenant promises and the messiness of global conflict, this episode is for you.👉 Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share to stay updated on every episode of Covenant and Conflict.#Israel #Christianity #Podcast #GatewayCenterForIsrael #CovenantAndConflict----FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:https://instagram.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://www.facebook.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://twitter.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/gateway-center-for-israelLEARNING RESOURCES:Getting Started — Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-startedIsrael Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-prayer-guidePerspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers
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A Messianic Rabbi and the Pope: From Division to Dialogue with Marty Waldman and Nic Lesmeister
FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:https://instagram.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://www.facebook.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://twitter.com/CenterForIsraelhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/gateway-center-for-israelLEARNING RESOURCES:Getting Started — Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-startedIsrael Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-prayer-guidePerspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers
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Ethiopian Israeli Worship Leader Shares About Yeshua & Israel
Ethiopian Israeli Worship Leader Shares About Yeshua & Israel
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Was Matthew Written in Hebrew? Shocking Discoveries with a Karaite Jewish Expert
In this thought-provoking episode, David Blease sits down with Nehemia Gordon—renowned Hebrew scholar and former Orthodox Jew turned Karaite—to explore the profound differences between Rabbinic Judaism and Karaite Judaism.Nehemia shares his journey of faith and scholarship, revealing why Karaites choose to follow the Hebrew Bible alone, wrestling with the later Rabbinic traditions like the Talmud. Together, we trace the historical roots of the Karaite movement and examine its implications for Jewish identity and biblical interpretation today.But that’s not all—we also dive into the fascinating world of ancient manuscripts as Nehemia walks us through the Hebrew Gospel of Matthew. How does it differ from the more commonly known Greek versions? What might this tell us about Yeshua (Jesus) 's original words? This conversation challenges assumptions and offers fresh perspectives on Scripture, history, and faith.📚 Discover more of Nehemia’s work and get all his books at: https://www.nehemiaswall.comAmazon Link to Nehemia’s Books Here: https://tinyurl.com/47pbwe62
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This Is My Body: A Messianic Jewish View on Communion with Dr. Greg Stone
Believers across denominations are asking deeper questions about Communion—the Eucharist. In this episode, we explore what Jesus meant when He instituted it at Passover, whether we receive His actual body and blood, and how the Church can faithfully recover God’s heart for the Table.
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Yeshua: The Stumbling Block — Perspectives From an Israeli Messianic Jew
In this powerful interview, Michael Mistretta, a Messianic leader and long-time friend of CFI shares his journey of following Yeshua in Israel, the challenges Messianic Jews face, and the new doors God is opening in the midst of conflict. Learn how FIRM is impacting lives across Israel and how you can pray and get involved: firmisrael.org.
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Church Authority & Councils: How Serious Should We Take Them? A Messianic Scholar's Perspective
What happens when church history and Jewish heritage collide? In this compelling conversation with Dr. Jen Rosner, we explore the tension between Christian tradition and Jewish roots, confronting the flaws of early church councils while honoring the beauty and complexity of both faith traditions.
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A Christian-Pastor’s Conversation with Orthodox Rabbis' on Faith & Israel | David Blease | Pesach Wolicki | Elie Mischel
What happens when a Christian pastor sits down with two Orthodox rabbis from Israel to discuss faith, theology, and the future of the Jewish-Christian relationships? This powerful episode of Covenant and Conflict dives deep into one of the most pressing spiritual conversations of our time.In today's episode we explore:The complex tension between particularity and universalism in God’s covenantal planThe challenges and theological consequences of replacement theologyHow humility and historical honesty can bridge centuries of misunderstandingThe impact of modern events in Israel on Jewish-Christian unityA raw look at antisemitism, identity, and the growing alliance between Jews and Christians in a post-October 7th worldThis isn’t just a theological discussion—it’s a call to seek truth with open hearts, to embrace our shared biblical foundations, and to foster genuine understanding in a divided world.FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA:/ gateway-center-for-israel/ centerforisrael/ centerforisrael/ centerforisraelLEARNING RESOURCES:Getting Started - Israel 101: https://centerforisrael.com/getting-s...Israel Prayer Guide: https://centerforisrael.com/israel-pr...Perspective Papers: https://centerforisrael.com/papers#Christianity #Judaism #Israel #Faith #Theology #ReplacementTheology #JewishChristianRelations #CovenantAndConflict #Humility #BibleStudy
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Drawn to Jewish Roots: Guiding the 4 Kinds of Seekers with Care
Join David Blease and Preston Benjamin as they unpack the four types of seekers in the Jewish-Christian space—authenticity, conspiracy, curiosity, and identity—offering insight and practical guidance on leading people toward a deeper faith and avoiding many common pitfalls.This video is a must-watch for anyone who feels led to the Jewish foundations of our faith.
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Embracing the Sabbath: Practical Steps to Overcoming Burnout & Finding True Rest
In this episode of Covenant & Conflict, David Blease and Matthew Hernandez explore the transformative practice of the Sabbath, emphasizing its significance as a time for rest and connection with God and family. Matthew shares insights from his own journey, including meaningful traditions his family has embraced and flexible ways to incorporate Sabbath into busy lives. Join us to discover how this sacred practice can bring healing and awareness of God's presence into your everyday routine!
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Exploring Replacement Theology & the Acts Model, with Preston Benjamin
In this episode, David Blease sits down with Preston Benjamin, an expert in Messianic Jewish understanding with a Master's in Biblical Theology. Preston breaks down Acts 15, the historical roots of the Evangelical Church, and whether the Church should return to the Acts model. The early church faced a major challenge in integrating Gentile believers who wanted to follow the God of Israel, but were not commanded by God to adopt Jewish identity and practices. Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the church decided that Gentiles could be adopted into the family of Abraham through faith in Jesus without needing to be circumcised or fully convert to Judaism.This allowed the church to remain rooted in its Jewish foundations while welcoming Gentiles. The relationship between the church and Israel has often been complex and contentious throughout history, with the church sometimes falling into a theology of replacement or supersessionism.However, there is a growing understanding that the church and Israel are not separate but instead represent the ongoing people of God, with both Jewish and Gentile believers having a vital role to play.As the church seeks to reconnect with its biblical roots, it must do so in a way that honors the unique identity and calling of both Jewish and Gentile believers.
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Holocaust Survivor Recounts Her Childhood, with Rosian Zerner
In this episode, Rosian Zerner, a Holocaust survivor, shares her harrowing story of witnessing the Nazis' invasion of her hometown in Lithuania and the horrors that followed.She describes the atrocities committed by her Lithuanian neighbors, the deprivation and harsh conditions in the ghettos and concentration camps, and the bravery of those who risked their lives to help her escape.Despite the trauma, Rosian rebuilt her life in the United States, raising a family and living to the age of 90. Her powerful testimony serves as a reminder of the importance of Holocaust education and of standing up against antisemitism and hatred in all its forms.
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One New Man: Messianic Jewish Scholar Explains Ephesians 2, with David Rudolph & David Blease
In this episode, Dr. David Rudolph and David Blease discuss the importance of understanding the Jewish foundation of the Christian faith and the need for a healthy relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers in Messiah.They discuss topics such as:* The danger of trying to integrate Jewish practices into the church without developing meaningful relationships with the Jewish community.* The concept of the "one new man" in Ephesians 2, which refers to Jews and Gentiles coming together in Messiah as equal covenant partners, not as a new identity that erases their distinct Jewish and Gentile identities.* There are two extremes to avoid - completely assimilating Jewish believers into Gentile Christian culture, or trying to compel all Gentile believers to adopt a Jewish lifestyle. The goal should be to embrace the unique callings of both Jewish and Gentile believers.* Gentile Christians should seek to support and develop relationships with Messianic Jewish congregations, as well as with non-believing Jewish communities, to stand against antisemitism and walk in unity as the body of Messiah.
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How did Jesus Fulfill Passover? A Messianic Perspective, with Greg Stone and David Blease
In this episode, we talk about the significance of Passover and its connection to the life and ministry of Jesus (Yeshua). We explore how Passover is a feast of revival, with historical examples of major revivals in the Old Testament associated with Passover. The discussion also delves into the symbolic elements of Passover, such as the bitter herbs, unleavened bread, and the four cups of wine, and how they foreshadow and point to Jesus as the fulfillment of Passover. Additionally, the conversation touches on the historical development of the Passover Seder ritual and how it relates to the Last Supper and the institution of communion.The practical implications for Gentile Christians celebrating Passover are also discussed, emphasizing the importance of including Jewish believers and maintaining the distinction between the obligations of Jews and the invitation to Gentiles.
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Living Like Jesus: What Role Should Jewish Traditions Play in Christianity? - With Nic Lesmeister & David Blease
This episode explores the biblical and historical context around the relationship between Jewish and Gentile believers in Jesus. Nic and David from the Center For Israel discuss:* The tendency among Christians to "supersede" or overlook the importance of God's covenantal relationship with the Jewish people in the biblical narrative* The debate around whether Gentile believers should adopt Jewish practices and traditions* The historical context of the decisions made at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15, which exempted Gentiles from the requirement to follow Mosaic law while providing some guidelines for fellowship* The importance of Gentile believers cultivating humility, relationship, and mutual interdependence with the Jewish community rather than attempting to replace or replicate Jewish identity and practices
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Bridging Identities: A Scholarly Look at Jewish and Gentile Roles in Christianity, with Jen Rosner
Today, we talk with Dr. Jen Rosner, a Jewish follower of Yeshua (Jesus) and prolific author and professor. She explores the tensions and challenges she has faced in navigating her Jewish identity while following the Messiah and the importance of embracing them rather than seeking to resolve them entirely. The discussion also highlights the need to honor the distinct identities of Jewish and Gentile believers in the Messiah and to avoid perpetuating a "two-class society" where Gentiles feel “less than.” The conversation emphasizes the richness that comes from diverse expressions of faith and the value of wrestling with difficult questions rather than seeking definitive answers. Let’s dive into a fantastic conversation full of incredible insights into the complexities of Jewish-Gentile relations within the Messianic movement.
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Trekking Through the Holocaust - Why Christians Must Remember, with Kara Daniels
In this episode, David talks with Kara Daniels about her experience on a trip to Europe that followed the path of the Holocaust, including stops in Germany, Prague, and Poland. The speaker shares how the trip transformed her perspective on the Jewish people, the Holocaust, and the Church's responsibility to understand and support the Jewish community.Seeing these sights up close and with Jewish Educators who are children of Holocaust survivors provided a more concrete and personal understanding of the horrors of the Holocaust, moving from abstract knowledge to a more profound empathy.
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Hip Hop Dancer to Pastor to Israel Advocate, with Ryan Warren
In today’s episode, David Blease talks with Ryan Warren, who recounts his journey from hip-hop dancing to becoming a pastor and advocate for the Jewish community in Dallas, Texas. He shares how he developed deep friendships with Orthodox Jewish leaders and rabbis in the Dallas community, focusing on genuinely understanding their faith and identity.Ryan emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the history of Christian persecution of Jewish people and the need for Christians to approach the Jewish community with humility, respect, and a desire to learn rather than emphasizing conversion (a term deeply offensive to many members of the Jewish community and misunderstood by many Christians.)David and Ryan discuss how recent attacks on the Jewish community have impacted them and the Jewish people, and how Christians can respond by standing in solidarity with the Jewish community.Ryan encourages Christians to listen, understand, and build unbreakable friendships with the Jewish community, rather than just proclaiming support for Israel or the Jewish people in abstract terms.
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A Voice from Heaven: A Messianic Rabbi’s Journey Back to Faith, with Rabbi Marty Waldman
Rabbi Marty Waldman shares his personal journey of finding faith in Yeshua as a Jewish man, and how this led him to plant a Messianic Jewish congregation and later found the organization TJCII (Towards Jerusalem Council) to promote unity between Jews and Gentiles in the Body of Messiah. He describes profound supernatural experiences that drew him to Yeshua and the gradual process of integrating Jewish traditions and worship with his newfound faith. Waldman emphasizes the critical importance of unity between Jews and Gentiles, seeing it as a central calling and an anointed work of the Holy Spirit. He shares stories of how this unity has brought breakthrough and reconciliation, even in places of long-standing division. https://www.tjcii.org
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My Mom's Final Words – A Daughter's Story from Be'eri, Israel, with Nicole Carbone and Ido Swartz
David Blease interviews Nicole, who recounts the harrowing story of the terrorist attack on their community in Kibbutz Beri, Israel. Nicole's mother was m*rdered in the attack, and 102 people from the community were m*rdered in total. The terrorists took 51 h*stages, with only three possibly still alive. The community has been devastated, losing 10% of its population. Despite this immense trauma, Nicole and Ido speak of their hope, faith, and desire to rebuild their community with the help of supporters worldwide. They emphasize the importance of living in peace, rejecting violence, and treating all people with dignity. They encourage listeners to pray for the hostages, support the rebuilding efforts, and stand in solidarity with the people of Israel.
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The Church Without Israel: What Our Churches are Missing!
In this episode, Petra Scott shares her journey of understanding the need for the Church to embrace its Jewish foundation and relationship with the Jewish community. Petra's journey began with resistance and skepticism toward the connection between Israel and the Church. She was later floored by the revelation of embracing the Jewish foundation of our faith. The discussion covers concepts like interdependence, covenantal unity, and the Church's need to honor and respect its Jewish foundation. Genuinely embracing this understanding is not about changing the Church's mission but rather enhancing and aligning with God's heart for Israel and the one new man of Jew and Gentile. The speaker argues that without this revelation, the Church is missing a full understanding of the kingdom and the fulfillment of Jesus' prayer in John 17 for unity.
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Israeli Settlers & the West Bank: How Should We View the Conflict?
What is the name of the small stretch of controversial Middle Eastern land where 80% of the Bible took place? The ancient phrase "Judea and Samaria" or the more modern "West Bank?" And IF the Bible says God gave this land to the Jewish people, then why are Arab Palestinians the majority population - and certain Jewish Israeli settlements considered illegal? Nic and David jump into these complicated waters to talk about the various perspectives surrounding this contentious geographical spot along the Israeli/Jordanian border. They touch on topics such as the birth of the nation of Israel, the Israeli political definition of "right" and "left," the relationships between Israeli Jews and Arabs, the necessity of prayer and action by believers, and what the Scriptural and prophetic outcomes could be for the land in the future.
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African Pastor’s Mind-Blowing Revelation about Israel with Charles Ikutiminu!
Can revelation about the importance of Israel and the Jewish people radically change your understanding of, and relationship with God - even after 30 years as a Christian? Meet Charles Ikutiminu, originally from Nigeria, who now serves as Global Ministries Pastor (Africa) at Gateway Church. He enthusiastically shared with David Blease the spiritual and theological journey he and his wife began as they simply obeyed God's leading to pray daily for Israel. Charles describes how this obedience to pray opened up a whole new perception about the relevance of the Hebrew Scripture, the fear of the Lord, and the character of the Father. Subsequent trips to Israel and Ethiopia influenced a profound paradigm shift in their pastoral ministry. This resulted in their rejection of antisemitic Replacement Theology (believing the Church had replaced Israel) and a full embrace of God's biblical priorities and heart for His Chosen People.
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Developing God’s Heart: A Christian Nanny in a Jewish Home
Ashlee, a friend of Gateway Center of Israel, joins David to discuss her personal experiences while employed as a nanny to an Orthodox Jewish family. Knowing zero about Jewish life before being hired, she shares how much she gleaned from observing this family’s adherence to their Kosher dietary laws, Sabbath observance, and religious lifestyle. Not only was her Christian faith enriched by the beauty of Jewish culture, but most importantly, a lifelong friendship was established between her and this family. During their conversation, David and Ashlee emphasize why it is important for Christians to foster genuine relationships with Jewish people rather than just a fascination with Jewish customs or the land of Israel. While a solid understanding of the Church’s Jewish roots is good, they conclude that it is a far higher priority for Christians to be better friends and advocates for Israel & the Jewish people - particularly since the horrible October 7 attack that has resulted in increased global antisemitism.
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The End Times & Israel
Nic and David tackle the topic of eschatology (or study of the end times) with author Travis Snow. For 20 years Travis, who holds an MDiv in Biblical Studies from Regent University School of Divinity, has researched theology and biblical prophecy, leading him to write three books on the subject emphasizing the role Israel plays in prophecy. This discussion compares the differing end-times beliefs held by the Church and Messianic Jewish believers, and how a healthy understanding of biblical prophecy - vital to our daily walk - should be approached with hope while avoiding some of the sensationalism that often surrounds the topic. Travis also stresses that to fully comprehend what biblical end-times prophecy is teaching requires a spiritual lens focused on Israel, the apple of God's eye. Links to Travis Snow's books on Amazon: 1. The Biblical Feasts and the Return of Jesus: How the Spring and Fall Feasts of Israel Will Be Fulfilled in the Kingdom of God https://a.co/d/eWrTpcj 2. The Passover King: Exploring the Prophetic Connection Between Passover, the End Times, and the Return of Jesus https://a.co/d/2JPFqXB 3. The 70 Weeks Jubilee: Israel, the Messiah, and the End of the Age in Daniel 9:24-27 https://a.co/d/4grayBR Want to keep learning? Start with our practical Israel Masterclass! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPbNfZiRbaFE8xDnVj1ZvrDTlsPJ-nR-T
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The Conflict Between American Jews and Israel with Guy Golan & Guy Chet
Nic and David have a fascinating conversation with two Israeli professors - Dr. Guy Golan (Texas Christian University) and Dr. Guy Chet (University of North Texas) -who wrote "My Brother's Keeper," a book that analyzes the complicated relationship between American Jews and Israel. Born out of personal conversations, the book explains how Reform Judaism and the European "Grand Bargain" influenced the political and religious lifestyle of American Judaism. It also clarifies why Israelis are more accepting of the support of Christian Zionists than American Jews. Guy and Guy address the impact of October 7 and how subsequent events have caused an identity crisis for so many in the American Jewish community. Many have been forced to reevaluate exactly WHO they are due to rising anti-Semitism and the changing political landscape.
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Firsthand Account of October 7th with Yoel Shoshani
Nic Lesmeister introduces his friend Yoel Shoshani, a native-born Israeli and Jewish believer in Jesus, who served in the Israeli military reserve force immediately after the horrors of October 7th. He shares his sobering eye-witness observations as an Israeli military escort to international journalists - some of whom were very cynical - as they toured the terrorized villages in the massacre's immediate aftermath, as well as how he and his family have personally processed the life-changing realities of war. Yoel discusses the major worldwide shift since Oct. 7 that has released a whole new level of hatred against Jewish people just because they are Jewish - and offers suggestions on how believers can connect, love, and care for war-traumatized Israelis and Jewish people in general due to the resulting global rise of antisemitism.
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Responding to claims about Messianic Jews
In this episode of "Covenant & Conflict," Gateway Center for Israel Executive Director Nic Lesmeister and Teaching Pastor David Blease respond to recent claims made about Messianic Jews (or Jews that have professed faith in Jesus as their Messiah) by a traditional Jewish media site. Nic uses biblical references and historical accounts to debunk such theological statements as: Any Jew that believes in Jesus has converted and is now a Christian Judaism and Christianity have been separate religions since the second century Christian and Jewish theology cannot co-exist
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Covenant & Conflict: A New Gateway Center for Israel Podcast
Welcome to "Covenant & Conflict," a new podcast produced by Gateway Center for Israel. We look forward to being a regular part of your faith journey as you seek God's heart during these challenging days. Join Executive Director Nic Lesmeister and Teaching Pastor David Blease in this first episode as they share their hopes that this new resource will: 1) Help Christians examine long-held perspectives in the light of Scripture 2) Develop a biblically-based understanding of Israel & the Jewish people, and 3) Facilitate an ongoing conversation about God's ultimate purposes in a post-October 7 world.
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ABOUT THIS SHOW
"Covenant & Conflict" is a thought-provoking podcast produced by the “Gateway Center for Israel” and hosted by Nic Lesmeister and David Blease, where ancient biblical truths meet contemporary issues head-on. Each episode offers a deep dive into complex and often divisive topics with subject matter experts, aiming to explore the intersection of covenantal values and modern debates. Instead of fostering division, this podcast seeks to model respectful engagement and peaceful discourse amidst conflict.
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