Cabernet and Pray

What do you do when the very people who introduced you to Jesus can no longer recognize the Jesus your faith has led you to? C.E. Jarnagin is a priest, researcher, and author who's asking that exact question in his new book The Congruent Life, and he brings a rare combination of Anglican liturgy, pastoral honesty, and zero tolerance for religious veneer to the conversation. In this episode, Jeremy and Chad work through what it looks like to hold your full humanity inside a faith community, why Christian nationalism and the Jesus of the Gospels are not remotely the same, and how a small church of 160 people (including a dozen former pastors) might actually be doing something the megachurch model couldn't.  Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/uTzs1Mo9F2c  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://www.instagram.com/chadjarnagin https://www.threads.com/@chadjarnagin 

Bethany Cseh is a pastor who spent years standing at a pulpit she wasn't sure she was allowed to occupy, internally justifying each sermon as something other than what it actually was. That tension turned out to be the beginning of a longer, stranger education. In this episode, Bethany joins Jeremy to talk about co-pastoring two completely different churches with her husband, what happened when they tried to merge them into one service, and the counterintuitive theology that emerged from the wreckage: that God is revealed more fully through our distinctions than despite them. They also get into merit badge theology, walking as a spiritual practice, and why John Piper is the last person you want picking out a wine for you. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/ZpURVmhmfyc  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/online-community Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

Beau Stringer spent years as a lead pastor in evangelical spaces. He's on the other side of that now, working in adult discipleship at one of the largest United Methodist churches in the country and making the case that mainline churches are the best thing most deconstruction-adjacent Christians have never heard of. His image for them: public libraries. Quiet, scattered through communities, not selling anything, full of wisdom, and genuinely open to everyone, including the guy with the shopping cart and all his belongings. In this conversation, Beau and Jeremy dig into how you read the violence of the Old Testament alongside the Sermon on the Mount, why faithfulness sometimes looks like a shrinking church, what happens to a pastor's theology once the job stops limiting his imagination, and why grief might be the most honest response to leaving behind a faith tradition that raised you. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/-oCLLdUojqY  ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, is now available. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What does it actually take for a church to be a safe place? Anthony Parrott, co-pastor of Table Church DC, has spent 17 years in ministry and a lifetime accumulating enough theology to know when it stops being honest. In this conversation, he and Jeremy trace a winding path through open and relational theology, trauma competency, why packaging spiritual formation into a program is its own kind of abuse, and what it looks like to pastor a church where the point is not to have it all figured out. Anthony is a guy who will tell you exactly what he thinks about Augustine, John Piper, and a white Malbec he found at Wegmans, and somehow it all fits together. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/4bxba43_Twk ----------------- My new book, The Edge of the Inside, releases March 31. You can get a signed copy or in whatever form you prefer: https://www.edgeoftheinside.com/ Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups  Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What happens when a former pastor trades the pulpit for a microphone? In this episode, we sit down with Stuart Delony, host of Snarky Faith and author of The Tribulation Survival Guide, for a conversation that is equal parts hilarious and razor-sharp. Stuart unpacks why fear-based theology is basically a drug dealer's business model, how humor functions as a Trojan horse for spiritual healing, and why the end-times obsession that haunted so many evangelical childhoods is, frankly, more pagan than Christian. Pour yourself a glass — the slippery slope has never been this fun. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/nqVuL7BUh0g  ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

This week on Cabernet & Pray, we sit down with Collin Packer for a conversation that feels as honest as it is necessary. Collin shares his journey from fundamentalist pastor to working in the Texas State House, from not voting for 12 years out of theological conviction to wrestling with what it means to let “justice take a side.” We talk about racial reconciliation, political discipleship, the cost of speaking prophetically in church spaces, and why some of the best conversations about faith might happen around a table with bread and wine instead of behind a pulpit. This episode offers a hopeful, deeply practical vision of what a Jesus-shaped presence could look like in our cultural chaos. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/MouIpaYlklw  ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://www.instagram.com/collin.b.packer/ https://ltrministries.com/ 

What if the Bible’s most familiar wine stories have been quietly misunderstood all along? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy sits down with New Testament scholar John Anthony Dunne, author of The Mountains Shall Drip Sweet Wine, to uncork what Scripture actually says about alcohol. From the wedding at Cana to the myth of “biblical grape juice,” they explore how modern anxieties have flattened a far richer, more embodied faith. Find out why wine was never just a metaphor, but a theological statement about God’s generosity and presence in the ordinary.  Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/PpMW6yzzJmA ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://amzn.to/4anM7EV  https://www.thetwocities.com/ https://www.instagram.com/johnnypepper2/ https://www.facebook.com/@johnnypepper2 

What happens when someone can no longer believe in God—but still can’t let go of Jesus, Pentecostalism, or the church that formed them? In this episode, Jeremy sits down with Colten Barnaby, who calls himself an “atheist Pentecostal,” to talk honestly about losing faith without losing integrity. They explore church history, certainty vs. honesty, why pretending belief can feel like a moral failure, and how many people leave Christianity not because they hate Jesus, but because God has been presented as a monster. It’s funny, vulnerable, unsettling, and surprisingly hopeful—a conversation for anyone who’s tired of fake answers and still hungry for truth, meaning, and a better imagination for what faith could be. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/I_6YYZKdvtE ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://www.instagram.com/coltenbarnaby/  https://www.tiktok.com/@coltenbarnaby https://www.youtube.com/@coltenbarnaby1 https://substack.com/@coltenbarnaby

What if the most sacred spaces in your life aren’t churches at all, but ordinary moments of shared humanity? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, Jeremy sits down with author and spiritual guide Matthew G. Matson to explore Cathedrals of Connection—a vision of faith that shifts holiness away from institutions and back into the space between people. Over a glass of wine, they talk about decentering programs, resisting performative spirituality, and rediscovering God in silence, conversation, parenting, travel, and the everyday rhythms we usually rush past. It’s an honest and gently subversive conversation for anyone who senses that Christianity has lost something vital—and wonders if connection itself might be where the divine has been hiding all along. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/TagcIay1C5Y  ----------------- Want to read my upcoming book BEFORE it comes out on March 31, 2026? Be a part of our book launch team and get early access: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/book-launch-page Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What comes after deconstruction? In this episode, I sit down with James McGrath to talk about what it looks like to move beyond tearing faith down and begin the slower, braver work of rebuilding it with honesty, humility, and curiosity. We wrestle with Bible scholarship, doubt, certainty, and why faith that looks like Jesus may require fewer answers and more courage. If you’ve ever felt stuck between what you can no longer believe and what you’re not sure you can believe yet, this conversation is an invitation to keep going. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/TGCzj4O5w0g  ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: James' new book: https://amzn.to/3XG2CGE 

What if the real spiritual crisis isn’t disagreement, but how we disagree? In this episode, we explore why certainty has replaced curiosity and why faith so often becomes brittle instead of beautiful. We see what happens when winning arguments matters more than loving people. This isn’t a call to “be nicer,” but a challenge to examine how fear shapes our theology and fractures our communities—and whether following Jesus should make us better at holding tension, not worse. This conversation invites you to practice a courage the church desperately needs right now: the courage to differ graciously. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/X7EQxCRjyyM ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: Brian's website: https://brianmclaren.net/ Faith After Doubt: https://amzn.to/4qgymys 

What if the faith you inherited isn’t the faith you actually want to keep? In this episode, I sit down with David Hayward—yes, the Naked Pastor himself—to talk about the root systems beneath our beliefs, the fruit they produce in real life, and why so many of us feel torn between what we were handed and what we’re becoming. If you’ve ever wondered whether God can survive your questions… or if your questions might actually be the doorway into something truer… this conversation is going to hit you right where you live. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/MmrIOoNqD98  ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: www.nakedpastor.com www.instagram.com/nakedpastor 

What happens when a pastor decides the real mission field isn’t inside the church walls… but somewhere between the pulpit and the pub? In this episode, Gavin Linderman and I dive into the beautifully messy overlap of Anabaptist theology, creativity, and craft beverages. We talk about churches that accidentally turn coffee shops into Christian bookstores with bad espresso, bars that become modern monasteries, and the wild idea that the best conversations about Jesus might happen over a pint rather than in a pew. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/90M13BPuL4A  ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: www.projectbanquet.com  www.axiomchurchaz.com www.thecreatecommission.org

What if beauty isn’t something we chase, but something that’s been waiting for us all along? In this episode of Cabernet & Pray, we sit down with author and theologian Diana Butler Bass to talk about what it means to truly live a beautiful year. We discuss how joy, grief, and gratitude can all coexist at the same table. We explore what happens when faith stops being a checklist and starts becoming an experience of wonder again. Watch the episode on video: https://youtu.be/YAd73fCJCoU  ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: Diana's new book: https://amzn.to/3LmL6Er Diana's Substack: https://dianabutlerbass.substack.com/

What happens when Christianity gets weaponized for political gain? When culture wars hijack the gospel of love? In this episode, we unpack John Fugelsang's book, Separation of Church and Hate, exploring why following Jesus might actually mean breaking up with some forms of Christianity. Pour a glass, lean in, and let’s talk about what it really means to love God and neighbor in an age of outrage. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Save your seat for the AZ Tasting Event on October 27th: https://communionwineco.com/events/az-tasting-event/  Links: Get John's book: https://amzn.to/4qnnyiD John's podcast: https://www.johnfugelsang.com/podcast  John on Substack: https://johnfugelsang.substack.com/ 

What if doing the right thing still made you guilty? Dietrich Bonhoeffer believed that following Jesus sometimes meant stepping straight into the mess—into what he called “the fellowship of guilt.” But was he right? In this episode, we grapple with one of the most challenging ethical questions in the Christian narrative: Can faithfulness ever necessitate breaking the rules? Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What happens when Christians start rethinking the very idea of hell? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we sit down with Brian Recker to ask the questions many of us were told we weren’t allowed to ask. Is hell really eternal conscious torment? What about annihilation? Could universalism actually be more faithful to Jesus? And how do history, culture, and scripture all play into the pictures we’ve inherited? We pour a glass of wine, get honest about our doubts, and wrestle with what kind of God we actually believe in. If good theology is theology that looks like Jesus, then what does that mean for our view of hell? If you’ve ever felt the tension between fear-based religion and the radical love of Jesus, this conversation might be the permission you’ve been waiting for. Want to find out why so many Christians are hell-bent on rethinking hell? Listen in. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: Order Brian's book: Hell Bent Brian on Substack Brian on Instagram

What if the shrinking of evangelicalism isn’t a crisis to be feared but an opportunity to rediscover something truer, leaner, and more like Jesus? In this episode, I sit down with author Michelle Van Loon to talk about what’s being lost, what’s worth keeping, and why smaller might actually be better for the future of faith. Grab a glass, pull up a chair, and join us as we explore how downsizing could make room for growth that actually matters. Click here to watch it on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? There's something better waiting for you. Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: Michelle's book Downsizing Michelle's website: michellevanloon.com  Michelle's Substack: substack.com/@michellevanloon

What if you’re not the same person you used to be—and that’s exactly the point? In this episode, I explore the strange and beautiful truth that growth requires us to let old versions of ourselves fade away, like water waiting to be turned into wine. From awkward past opinions (yes, I found some of mine in print!) to Taylor Swift lyrics and even a little wisdom from Brian Zahnd and Rob Bell, we’ll talk about what it means to thank yesterday’s “you” and make space for tomorrow’s. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Trying to make sense of faith? Download my free Deconstruction Field Guide. It's a ten-page resource to help you navigate what's next so you don't have to do it alone. https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Get your "pick one" shirt here: https://communion-wine-co.printify.me/product/8311848/wine-shirt-wine-tasting-gifts-for-him-wine-drinking-shirt-wine-lover-christian-wine-shirt-funny-wine-shirt-drinking-shirt 

In this episode, we dig into why the most famous command in Christianity has become more of a coffee mug slogan than an actual way of life. We’ll explore how we’ve domesticated Jesus’ radical ethic into something polite and toothless… and what it would take to bring its wild, world-flipping power back. We’ll look at what happens when faith stops being about certainty and starts being about curiosity. Pour a glass, pull up a chair, and let’s talk about how to actually live the thing Jesus said was the point all along. Click here to watch it on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Links: https://amzn.to/4ouvZbf - Preorder "Reviving the Golden Rule" andrew-decort.com - Andrew's newsletter iffglobal.org - learn more about Andrew's work  andrewdecort.substack.com - Andrew's series "Reframe"  

What if evil is never as strong as it seems? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we wade into the heaviness of the world (child trafficking, genocide, injustice) and wrestle with what it means to have hope in the face of it. We explore a surprising biblical theme that runs throughout the Psalms and the prophets. We consider Bonhoeffer’s call to jam a spoke in the wheel, Brueggemann’s reminder that tyrants fear artists, and the unexpected spiritual significance of South Park.  Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What if we told the stories the church has tried to bury? In Episode 51 of Cabernet and Pray, I sit down with Lucas Wilson—academic, editor of Shame-Sex Attraction, and survivor. We dive into the sobering realities of conversion therapy, explore the toxic cocktail of shame and theology, and examine how fear—especially the fear of hell—is weaponized to cause unimaginable harm. Lucas brings a mix of wit, candor, and charm to one of the hardest conversations the church needs to have. If you’ve ever wondered how the church got this so wrong (and how we can start making it right), this one’s for you. Click here to watch it on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  ----------------- Get the book "Shame-Sex Attraction" https://amzn.to/3GMANYg 

Is America a Christian nation? In this bold milestone episode of Cabernet and Pray, we take a hard look at Jesus’ own criteria for judging nations from Matthew 25. Spoiler: Jesus doesn’t mention Supreme Court rulings, Ten Commandments in schools, or how many evangelicals show up to vote. He talks about the poor, the immigrant, the sick, and the prisoner. This episode might make you uncomfortable. It might make you angry. But it just might make you see Jesus more clearly. And that’s the whole point. Grab a glass and join us at the intersection of wine, politics, and the Kingdom of God. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What if there’s more to Jesus than the guy in sandals from Nazareth? In this episode, Kevin Sweeney returns to dive into the deep end of the theological pool—exploring the radical beauty of the Cosmic Christ and the liberating call of the Concrete Jesus. It’s the episode where mysticism meets justice, the black prophetic tradition meets the mystics, and we explore how to resist the “abstract white Jesus.” Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What if loving your neighbor means confronting someone else? In this episode, Jeremy takes a deep dive into a misunderstood (and rarely discussed) concept in Christian ethics: the paradox of tolerance. What happens when hospitality toward one becomes hostility toward others? And what if Jesus intentionally excluded people... for the sake of the vulnerable? Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

Ever wondered what happens when two theologically curious podcast hosts bring their shows together over a glass of wine? Episode 47 is part divine disruption, part spiritual therapy session, and 100% a good time. Jeremy Jernigan sits down with Josh Patterson of Rethinking Faith to talk about reconstructing theology, open and relational views of God, and why some former pastors become bartenders. This episode is an unfiltered swirl of laughter, wisdom, and spicy takes on hell, omnipotence, and what we do after leaving church leadership. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What happens when one of the most provocative theological voices of our time sits down with a glass of wine and reimagines everything? In this episode, Jeremy talks with Brian Zahnd about peacemaking, the prophetic role of the church, why evangelicalism may not recover, and what happens when we start to believe Jesus actually meant what he said. It’s bold, it’s challenging, and it’s full of grace. Plus, there are a few surprises, like pipe collecting and Scotch favorites. Whether you're curious, skeptical, or just thirsty for better conversations about faith, this one’s for you. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

What if the only thing separating you from deeper faith… is your doubt? In this episode, we uncork the connection between spiritual curiosity and our inability to see clearly — and why that’s not a flaw, but a feature of real theology. Jesus doesn’t demand certainty. He invites wonder. Click here to watch the episode on video. -------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in 

This week, we’re uncorking a bold conversation that challenges assumptions, celebrates authenticity, and dives into the complexity of faith and identity. What does it mean to be queer and Christian? You’ll hear personal journeys, tough questions, unexpected grace, and the beauty of holding space for queerness in spirituality. Whether you're in the pews or at Pride, this one’s for you. Click here to watch the episode on video. ----------------- Join the online community and get access to exclusive content and experiences: https://bit.ly/rebuilding-faith Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  ----------------- Wines in this episode: 2020 Paso Ranches Zinfandel Sonoma-Cutrer Chardonnay Sonoma Coast Links: Official site: www.brandanrobertson.com Pre-order Queer and Christian: www.queerchristian.org  Podcast: The Queer & Christian Podcast – streaming on all major platforms

Are there different ways to understand hell in Christianity? In this thought-provoking episode, Jeremy tackles one of the most challenging theological concepts that many struggle with. If you've ever questioned traditional teachings about eternal punishment or wondered if there are other interpretations supported by scripture, this episode offers a refreshing perspective that might completely transform your understanding of Christianity.  Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points: Three Historical Christian Views of Hell: Infernalism/Eternal Conscious Torment: The traditional view where non-believers suffer eternally in hell. Annihilationism: Those who reject God cease to exist after death (also called "soul sleep"). Christian Universalism: Jesus will ultimately save everyone, though some may go through a refining process after death. Principles for Considering Hell: Good theology should look like Jesus Our view should reflect all New Testament writers Christians should have humility about who is "in" or "out" Your view of hell is not an essential part of Christianity Fear of hell is a cheap motivator to follow Jesus Biblical Foundation: The episode references 1 John 4:16 (perfect love casts out fear) and Romans 2:4 (God's kindness leads to repentance) to establish that God motivates through love, not fear. Wine Featured: 2019 Sequoia Grove Cabernet Sauvignon (Napa Valley) with distinctive herbaceous notes (bell pepper, jalapeño) followed by secondary cherry and red fruit flavors. Recommended Reading: "Her Gates Will Never Be Shut" by Brad Jersak "That All Shall Be Saved" by David Bentley Hart -------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community and get access to exclusive content and experiences. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups 

What if drinking wine was more than just a pleasure—it was a spiritual practice? In this episode, we sit down with theologian and wine expert Gisela Kreglinger to explore the deep connections between wine, faith, and community. Growing up in a German winery, Gisela brings a unique perspective on how wine shapes our conversations, our celebrations, and even our theology. From the role of wine in biblical times to the way it fosters deeper human connection today, this episode will challenge the way you think about your next glass. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points: Meet Gisela Kreglinger: Theologian, author, and wine expert who grew up on a German winery. Wine as a Spiritual Practice: Wine isn't just for drinking—it can shape conversations, enhance meals, and even act as a form of prayer. Biblical Roots of Wine: Exploring wine’s significance in Scripture, including the Passover tradition of four cups of wine, Noah’s vineyard, and Jesus’ first miracle at the Wedding of Cana. Cultural Differences in Wine Consumption: How European wine traditions differ from America’s relationship with alcohol and why that matters. Holy Tipsiness: The fine line between drinking as an act of joy and overindulgence. Reclaiming Wine in Christian Practice: How churches have distanced themselves from wine and why Gisela believes it’s time to restore its sacred role. Wines in This Episode: 🍷 2020 Coastline Reserve Cabernet Sauvignon (Paso Robles, California) – A fruit-forward yet balanced cab with notes of blackberry, pipe tobacco, and wet gravel. 🍷 Moulin-à-Vent from the Dichon family (Beaujolais, France) – A full-bodied Gamay with rich complexity, imported by Kermit Lynch. Final Thoughts: This episode isn’t just for wine lovers—it’s for anyone interested in the intersection of faith, culture, and connection. Whether you’re a casual drinker or a wine aficionado, Gisela’s insights will make you rethink the way you experience wine. Listen now and join the conversation! 🍇🍷 Links: The Spirituality of Wine The Soul of Wine Cup Overflowing Wine in the Word Gisela's website Gisela on Instagram -------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in   Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community and get access to exclusive content and experiences. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/patron-sign-ups 

Is karma real? Or does Jesus operate in a way that turns our sense of fairness upside down? In this episode, we dive into one of Jesus’ most radical parables from Matthew 20, exploring why fairness might not be the point—and why that’s actually good news. Grab a glass of wine and join us for a thought-provoking discussion on grace, justice, and what it really means to follow Jesus. Click here to watch the episode on video. Featured Wine:🍷 Destino Red Blend (2019) – Fifth Empire, Portugal A rich and dark blend featuring Touriga Nacional, known for its bold character. Notes of plum and blueberry, balanced with smooth complexity from four different grapes. Key Discussion Points: The Myth of Karma vs. Jesus’ Radical Grace: While karma teaches that you get what you deserve, Jesus flips this idea upside down, offering generosity instead of fairness. The Parable of the Vineyard (Matthew 20): A landowner pays all workers the same wage—whether they worked 12 hours or just one. What does this reveal about God’s character? Fairness vs. Generosity: How do we react when others receive grace that we feel they don’t deserve? Jealousy & God's Kindness: Are we bothered when God blesses those we deem "unworthy"? Personal Reflection: Is Jesus enough for us, or do we need others to "lose" for us to feel like we've won? Takeaway:Instead of keeping score, what if we embraced a world where grace, not fairness, defines our faith? Jesus invites us to welcome others into the vineyard—are we celebrating or gatekeeping? ----------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith 

Join Jeremy and Tim Whitaker, founder of The New Evangelicals, for an unfiltered and entertaining conversation tackling tough topics in faith, church culture, and beyond—all while sipping on wine. Whether you're wrestling with your faith, navigating church hurt, or just curious about new perspectives, this episode delivers humor, depth, and a lot of honesty. Don’t miss Tim’s unforgettable attempt at opening his first bottle of wine and his bold insights on Christianity today. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points Covered in Episode 40: Introduction of Tim Whitaker and The New Evangelicals: The organization supports those grappling with faith and church hurt. Focus on creating a safe space for exploring progressive Christianity. Tagline: “Faith isn’t easy, hurt makes it harder.” Wine Talk: Jeremy enjoys a Story of Soil Syrah 2022 with notes of red plum, blueberry, and vanilla bean. Tim hilariously opens his first bottle of wine, Joel Gott 815 Cabernet Sauvignon 2021, adding an unplanned comedy segment. Tim’s Faith Journey: From a conservative evangelical upbringing to a more inclusive, justice-focused Christianity. Critiques of political entanglements in modern evangelicalism. Emphasis on expanding one’s faith perspective beyond denominational boundaries. Advocating for the Marginalized: Discussions on supporting LGBTQ+ individuals, immigrants, and other underrepresented groups within and outside the church. The pitfalls of using theology to oppress rather than liberate. Engaging with the Bible: Tim’s shift from viewing the Bible as a rulebook to embracing it as a complex, nuanced collection of writings. Encouragement to focus on Jesus’ teachings of love, justice, and inclusion. Parenting and Faith: Should kids be raised in the same traditional church settings their parents left? Tim argues for raising children with openness and curiosity rather than indoctrination. Criticism and Accountability in the Church: Challenges of holding leaders and institutions accountable while staying hopeful. The role of Christians in advocating for justice and resisting harmful ideologies like Christian nationalism. Tim’s Take on Digital Content Creation: Balancing fast-paced news reactions with thoughtful analysis. Addressing negativity from critics while staying grounded. Lightning Round Questions: Tim’s past belief he was wrong about: thinking LGBTQ+ people were inherently sinful. Main issue facing American Christianity: the rise of Christian nationalism. This episode is perfect for anyone exploring new ways to engage with their faith or questioning traditional church teachings. Tim’s candidness, combined with his humor and passion, makes this an unforgettable conversation. Grab a glass of wine and join the ride! Links: https://www.thenewevangelicals.com/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-new-evangelicals-podcast/id1557794865 https://www.instagram.com/thenewevangelicals/ https://open.spotify.com/show/1czIuPbjXFt50L2fxHmdUe https://www.tiktok.com/@thenewevangelicals https://www.instagram.com/timwhitakerspeaks/  ----------------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith 

What happens when the God of the Old Testament seems unrecognizable next to the Jesus of the New Testament? In this thought-provoking episode of Cabernet and Pray, we tackle what Jeremy calls “the worst chapter in the Bible,” Numbers 31. Together, we confront the shocking themes of revenge, violence, and divine commands that seem incompatible with the love of Jesus. With a glass of Sokol Blosser 2021 Pinot Noir in hand, we explore how ancient contexts and human perceptions of God shape scripture—and what this means for our faith today. Don’t miss this deep dive into the Bible’s most challenging narratives. Click here to watch the episode on video. Wines Featured: Sokol Blosser 2021 Watershed Block Pinot Noir Notes of potting soil, dried leaves, cranberry, raspberry, and clove. A perfect pairing for deep conversations about theology. Key Discussion Points: Introduction to Numbers 31: Jeremy reflects on the challenges faced as a pastor in interpreting the Old Testament. Focus on Numbers 31: a chapter filled with revenge, violence, and troubling divine commands. A Brutal Look at Numbers 31: God commands Moses to wage a war of revenge against the Midianites. Controversial instructions to kill men, women, and boys, sparing only virgin girls, presented as plunder. The unsettling notion of 32 virgins being allocated as God’s share of the spoils. Reconciling Numbers 31 with the Nature of Jesus: The difficulty of aligning Numbers 31 with the nonviolent, sacrificial love exemplified by Jesus. Examples of misinterpretation: Justifying actions like the Crusades by blending Old Testament violence with Christian theology. Historical and Cultural Context: Insights from early church father Origen: When a passage seems unworthy of God, seek deeper spiritual meaning. Greg Boyd’s Cross Vision: God’s willingness to meet people in their context, even when their understanding is limited. Andy Stanley’s Irresistible: The importance of unhitching modern faith from Old Testament practices and covenantal frameworks. A Framework for Interpretation: Jesus as the clearest image of God: “What God looks like when there are no clouds in the way.” Viewing problematic Old Testament passages as reflections of human culture and sin, not divine character. Takeaways for Faith: Christians don’t need to fear difficult scriptures but must read them through the lens of Jesus. Numbers 31 reveals more about ancient Israelites’ worldview than about God’s true nature. The Bible’s ultimate purpose is to point us to Jesus, the unclouded vision of God. Jeremy leaves listeners with the challenge to dig deeper into scripture, trusting that a clearer picture of God emerges through Jesus. Christians can engage with difficult passages and grow a faith rooted in love, humility, and understanding. ----------- Do you want to read the Bible without falling behind? Sign up your email and I'll send you a PDF to download and use my custom-made reading plan system. There's no way to fall behind on this system and every day will be different no matter how long you use it! https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/opt-in  Cabernet and Pray is an authentic, thoughtfully curated, human-hosted podcast that is free, but not cheap. Please consider supporting the content Jeremy creates by joining the Rebuilding Faith patron community. Find out more here: https://www.jeremyjernigan.com/rebuilding-faith 

Can you love Jesus so much that it leaves others feeling unloved? In this episode of Cabernet and Pray, we unpack a poignant quote from A.W. Tozer’s widow that has sparked a surprising amount of debate among Christians. Join us as we dive into what it truly means to balance a love for God with a love for others, all while sipping on a gorgeous 2021 Archers Crest Pinot Noir. This episode will surely challenge your perspective on faith, relationships, and how we express our devotion. Click here to watch the episode on video. Key Points Event Reminder: The Wine and Whiskey Weekend is February 21–23 in Oregon, featuring tastings and deep conversations about life and faith. Find out more here: https://communionwineco.com/events/wine-and-whiskey/  The A.W. Tozer Debate: Tozer’s widow, Ada, famously stated: “Aiden [Tozer] loved Jesus Christ, but Leonard Odom loves me.” This comment sparks questions about whether a strong love for Jesus can coexist with loving others deeply. Tozer’s writings emphasized the centrality of God, yet his personal relationships provide a complex lens for understanding how faith and love intersect. Key Biblical Insights: Matthew 22:36-39: Jesus teaches that loving God and loving others are equally important. Matthew 25: Acts of love toward others are acts of love toward Jesus. Luke 14:26: Jesus uses hyperbole to stress prioritizing God but not at the expense of failing to love others. Listener Reactions: Varied and passionate responses to the original video included victim-shaming Ada, misinterpretations of biblical texts, and defenses of Tozer’s priorities. Highlights the broader issue of separating love for Jesus from love for people, a dichotomy that the episode argues is unbiblical. Wine Feature: 2021 Archers Crest Pinot Noir from Archery Summit in Oregon. Notes of cranberry, raspberry, clove, and mushroom make this refreshing red a perfect pairing for deep conversation. The Challenge: Loving Jesus means seeing Him in those around us, including our spouses, neighbors, and even adversaries. Can you truly love God without loving people? This episode pushes listeners to evaluate their own faith practices. Call to Action: Pour yourself a glass of wine and reflect on how your love for God translates into love for others. Join us for this candid discussion that blends theology, wine appreciation, and a fresh take on what it means to live out your faith. Cheers to loving well!

Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we explore the creative expressions of the church with Mark McKinney, an innovator who is challenging traditional church structures. We dive into the unpredictability of faith journeys, the critical need for true discipleship in modern Christianity, and the fascinating intersection of faith and technology. Mark shares his experiences leading Reunion, a trauma-informed church in a brewery, and reflects on the importance of serving communities authentically. We explore themes of flexibility, adaptation, and humility in ministry, highlighting how unconventional spaces and approaches can foster genuine connections and support for those often overlooked by traditional church settings. Tune in for an inspiring discussion about reimagining church, community engagement, and nurturing a culture of inclusivity and healing. Whether you're a church leader, believer, or someone curious about innovative faith practices, this episode will surely offer thought-provoking insights and encouragement. Wines in this episode: 2022 Black Cloud 2022 Juggernaut Links: Reunion's church website Mark on Instagram

Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving deep into the complexities of faith, politics, and personal transformation with our guest, April Ajoy. April, an author and content creator known for her book "Star Spangled Jesus: Leaving Christian Nationalism and Finding a True Faith," joins us to unpack the deconstruction movement among white evangelicals questioning their support for Trump, especially post-2020 pandemic. In this episode, April shares her journey from promoting Christian nationalism to fostering a more inclusive spirituality. We'll discuss the potential impact of another Trump presidency on evangelical communities, the rising need for supportive spaces for those exiting these conservative circles, and how April uses her past experiences to challenge harmful beliefs without alienation. We'll also touch on the contradictions within Christian nationalism, the challenges of patriarchy and misogyny in theology, and the transformative power of engaging with differing beliefs. April shares personal anecdotes, including her enlightening experiences with her children's faith education and the humorous beginnings of her wine-tasting adventures. Wines in this episode: 2016 Clos Floridene Peach white wine Links: April's book April's Instagram April's TikTok April's Threads

Click here to watch the episode on video. Interested in staying in one of our short-term rentals in wine country? Click here to see our two homes. In today's episode, Jeremy shares some exciting personal updates, including the opening of a second rental property in Oregon wine country, the charmingly named "Vino Victorian." But the core of today's episode dives into a profound and possibly controversial re-examination of a familiar Biblical story from Luke 19: the tale of the wicked servant. Jeremy challenges traditional parable interpretations, suggesting we're not seeing the whole picture. What if the character we've always viewed as "wicked" represents a more Christ-like stance? Join Jeremy as he unpacks this compelling perspective, drawing intriguing connections to Jesus's teachings and inviting listeners to see this parable in a new light. Whether navigating today's tumultuous world or seeking deeper spiritual insights, this episode promises to offer fresh, thought-provoking content. So grab a glass of something rich and flavorful, sit back, and let's dive into another episode of "Cabernet and Pray." Wine in this episode: 2019 Quinta Das Carvalhas from Duoro, Portugal

Click here to watch the episode on video. We're thrilled to have Andrew Whitehead, an esteemed professor of sociology and author of "American Idolatry: How Christian Nationalism Betrays the Gospel and Threatens the Church." In this episode, we dive into the complex world of Christian nationalism in America through Andrew's insightful lens. We explore the idea that changing minds often requires more than cold, hard facts; it demands empathy, asking the right questions, and building genuine relationships. Andrew shares personal reflections on America's history, scrutinizing the narrative of it being a "Christian nation" in light of its checkered past. We'll touch upon the provocative "inverted golden rule," navigating echo chambers, and the tension between disengagement and necessary political advocacy. You'll also hear thought-provoking discussions on how power should be wielded for justice, the importance of listening to marginalized voices, and balancing faithfulness with the often flawed pursuit of efficiency. We also have some lighter moments, from Andrew's memorable wine experience in Florence, Italy, to enlightening takes on quantum physics and arm wrestling. Wines in this episode: 2021 Ghost Pines Cabernet 2021 Federalist Cabernet Links: American Idolatry Andrew's Substack Andrew's Instagram Andrew's X

Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, we’re diving deep into the fascinating intersection of faith and technology, responding to your comments and critiques about our previous discussion on the ethics of robots. From accusations of irrelevance to insightful parallels with historical exclusion in Christianity, we’re tackling it all. I address the arrogance and disdain some feel towards robotic sentience and, humorously, whether churches would accept robots if they could contribute financially. We’ll also explore the historical patterns of exclusion in Christianity—particularly towards women and the LGBTQ+ community—drawing from historical events and figures like Augustine. Our chat will challenge you to reflect on inclusivity in faith, considering whether we could or should extend our understanding of community to future technological beings like robots, clones, or even aliens. Plus, I’ll share some exciting details about an upcoming wine and whiskey trip to Oregon, designed to blend tasting sessions with deep discussions about faith. So grab a glass of wine, sit back, and let's journey through these provocations and insights together. Are we ready to expand our vision of inclusion, or will we continue to draw lines in the sand?  Wine in this episode: Dolce Rosso Lambrusco

Click here to watch the episode on video. Want to join us on a wine and whiskey trip to Oregon? Find out more HERE. In this episode, Sean Palmer, author and teaching pastor at Ecclesia Houston, invites us on a thought-provoking journey discussing memorable wine experiences, evolving beliefs about wealth, and the pressing challenges facing Christianity in America. Sean reflects on faith, aging, and death in a post-COVID world. Additionally, we explore the transformative impact of the Enneagram and embrace the importance of individual differences within the church. With engaging anecdotes and profound insights, this episode promises an enriching conversation about life’s transitions, the essence of community, and living thoughtfully in the face of mortality.  Wines in this episode: 2021 Barrelhouse Red Blend 2022 DAOU Cabernet Sauvignon Links: Sean's book Speaking by the Numbers Sean's book Unarmed Empire Sean on Instagram Sean's website

Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we dive deep into the fascinating intersection of spirituality, philosophy, and cutting-edge technology with a very special guest—Joshua K. Smith. Josh is not just a cybersecurity analyst but also a theologian, former pastor, and insightful author. As we sip on exquisite wines—Jeremy with a crisp 2021 Rex Hill Pinot Noir Rosé, and Josh enjoying a 2021 Chardonnay from The Prisoner Wine Company—our discussion navigates the thoughtful terrain of AI, robotics, and ethics. Josh challenges us to consider our relationships with robots, much like bonding with pets or inanimate objects, emphasizing the need for ethical safeguards. We draw inspiration from cultural touchstones like "Westworld" and "Ex Machina," delving into complex questions about human responsibility, the evolution of technology, and its potential to reshape our understanding of identity and servitude. Josh shares his evolving theological perspectives, questioning traditional doctrines and advocating for inclusive, philosophical conversations. Buckle up for an intellectually stimulating ride that doesn't shy away from our time's moral and ethical dilemmas, all while exploring how age-old theological inquiries can be re-examined through the lens of modern technology. Whether you're a tech enthusiast, spiritual seeker, or curious mind, this episode offers something profound. Wines in this episode: 2021 Rex Hill Pinot Noir Rosé 2021 Prisoner Wine Company Chardonnay Links: Josh's Instagram

Click here to watch the episode on video. We're celebrating a significant milestone—our 30th episode! We talk with Brit Baron, speaker, storyteller, and author of the compelling new book, "Do You Still Talk to Grandma?" Brit reflects on her journey of evolving beliefs and personal growth, touching on the psychological concept of cognitive closure and how it shapes our decision-making and beliefs. We'll discuss distinguishing between primary and secondary beliefs, the challenges of navigating social justice work, and the importance of embracing mistakes as a path to growth. We'll also touch on timely and poignant topics like the controversial actions of public figures, the evolving perceptions of societal issues, and the need for empathy in transformative conversations. Brit's personal anecdotes and profound reflections will inspire you to hold multiple realities and approach life's complexities with patience and openness. Get ready for an engaging conversation packed with wisdom, humor, and powerful storytelling. So grab your glass of wine, settle in, and let's dive into a heartfelt journey of faith, growth, and understanding. Wine in this episode: 2021 Dobbes Grenache Blanc Links:  Brit's new book: Do You Still Talk to Grandma? Brit's Instagram Brit's website: BritBarron.com 

Click here to watch the episode on video. Welcome to another episode of "Cabernet and Pray." In today's episode, we sit down with Sarah Bauer Anderson, a deeply insightful author whose journey of faith and personal growth offers a compelling narrative for anyone navigating the complexities of religion, politics, and family dynamics. About 15 years ago, Sarah's faith shifted during her pregnancy with her oldest child, leading her to embrace mystery, curiosity, and a broader spectrum of theological thought, including Eastern Orthodoxy. Sarah shares her fascinating evolution from a conservative upbringing, exploring different atonement theories and moving towards restorative justice and universal reconciliation. Her book, "The Space Between Us," delves into how Jesus teaches us to live together amidst political and religious divides. Jeremy and Sarah discuss the significance of food and drink in bridging divides, the emotional foundations behind political beliefs, and the importance of approaching differing opinions with curiosity and understanding. Join us as we explore the transformative power of open dialogue, mutual respect, and the wisdom to choose which battles are truly worth fighting in our relationships. Whether you're struggling with evolving beliefs, navigating family dynamics, or simply curious about how to foster healthier conversations, this episode promises valuable insights and heartfelt narratives.  Wines in this episode: 2021 Archery Summit Paradox Pinot Noir 2021 Conundrum Red Blend Links: Sarah's book: The Space Between Us Sarah on Instagram Sarah on X

Click here to watch the episode on video. Today, we explore the "Word of God." Do you share the belief that the Bible holds the ultimate authority? Or do you see Jesus as the living "Word of God" that John 1 speaks of? We'll wrestle with these questions and more. In this episode, we'll journey through the rich and often paradoxical imagery of the lion and the lamb as presented in Revelation. We'll contrast the popular expectation of a conquering lion with the profound revelation of Jesus as the sacrificial lamb, the only one worthy to wield God's power. Along the way, I'll share insights about making room for a God who can be speechless and what that silence might mean in our own lives, especially in our darkest moments. We'll also delve into the tension between desiring a predictable, accessible deity and embracing the wild, unexpected freedom of God. Expect a deep dive into scripture, reflections inspired by theologian Walter Brueggemann, and powerful stories like that of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Plus, I'll reveal the personal significance behind my tattoo of a sheep with a crown, a subtle nod to my stand against the machismo mantra of "lions, not sheep." So grab your favorite glass of wine, find a quiet spot, and prepare for an episode that challenges traditional feel-good messages, encourages introspection over easy answers, and ultimately invites us to trust in a God who surpasses all our expectations. Wine in this episode: 2021 Arabella Chenin Blanc Reserve your spot for the September 9th tasting event in Gilbert. https://communionwineco.com/events/az-tasting-event/ 

Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we have Scott M. Coley, a philosophy lecturer at Mount St. Mary's University and author of an intriguing new book. We explore the spiritual side of propaganda and how it's used in religious contexts. We tackle some thought-provoking topics, including the oft-heard phrase "I don't see color," the loaded concept of "law and order," and the alarming presence of authoritarianism within the church. Scott shares his personal journey of faith over the past decade and how his theological commitments have evolved. We also reframe the hot-button issue of evangelical deconstruction, examining it through the lens of decoding the propaganda embedded within the religious right's ideology. Join us for this stimulating discussion, which will challenge your perspective and make you think critically about the complex interplay of faith, politics, and social justice. Wine in this episode: 2021 Brokenwood Semillon Links: Scott's book: Ministers of Propaganda Scott's account on X Scott's account on Instagram

Click here to watch the episode on video. Today we're diving into a topic that often stirs deep emotions in the Christian community: fear (and the shame that often follows). We'll unpack the roots of fear, often instilled by religious leaders, and challenge it with biblical insights from 1 Corinthians. We’ll also have an honest conversation about the role of fear in religious teachings and how it can shape our beliefs and actions in unhealthy ways. I’ll share personal stories, including an attempt I saw to convert a tough gentleman with scare tactics, and we’ll reflect on whether such approaches truly align with Christian values. Plus, we’ll explore the notion from 1 John 4 that living in love means living in tune with God and why perfect love expels fear. Join me as we question, reflect, and strive for a faith driven by love, not fear. Cheers! Wine in this episode: 2020 Dominio IV Tempranillo Rosé

Click here to watch the episode on video. Welcome to "Cabernet and Pray," episode 25! Today we are joined by Jordan Hughes, also known as the "High Proof Preacher." Jordan, a renowned commercial photographer and videographer from Portland, Oregon, shares his journey from growing up in a church-centric life to becoming a cocktail expert and social media influencer. Delving deep into the art of spirit-forward cocktails, Jordan emphasizes the importance of quality ingredients, his preference for Luxardo cherries, and the joy of using good spirits. We'll take a heartfelt journey as Jordan recounts his upbringing, his family's history with alcohol, and the pivotal moment that led him to question his faith and career. From making his mark in the cocktail industry to navigating the complexities of parenthood amid significant personal and societal changes, Jordan's story is one of transformation and resilience. Tune in as we discuss everything from the nuances of great cocktails and the challenges of deconstructing faith, to the exciting world of spirit photography and the impact of political polarization on Christianity. Jordan's insights are sure to inspire, whether you're a cocktail enthusiast, a parent, or someone re-evaluating your beliefs. Wines in this episode: 2018 Brunello Di Montalcino Landmass Wines 2022 RU OK Pet Nat Links: https://www.highproofpreacher.com https://www.cocktailcamera.com 

Click here to watch the episode on video. In this episode, we sit down with Adam McHugh, a former hospice chaplain turned sommelier and wine tour guide, as we dive into a fascinating conversation blending spirituality, personal transformation, and the world of wine. Adam, the author of the memoir "Blood from a Stone," shares his remarkable journey from ministry to the vineyards of Santa Ynez Valley, shedding light on how this transition reshaped his faith and identity. He opens up about the memorable moments and meaningful connections he’s made through wine and how his experiences in the wine industry parallel the sacraments of Christianity—emphasizing simplicity, beauty, and community. Together, we explore how stepping away from traditional religious roles allowed us to uncover new perspectives and spiritual depths, all while savoring the wine in our glasses. Join us as we discuss the importance of not stereotyping others, the value of genuine listening, and the miraculous elements found in both wine and faith. Plus, Adam shares some light-hearted stories about reactions to his career shift. Pour yourself a glass and tune in for an episode brimming with honesty, humor, and heartfelt reflection. Wines in this episode: 2021 Mourvèdre from Saarloos and Sons Story of Soil Bentrock Vineyard Pinot Noir Links: Adam's latest book: Blood from a Stone Adam's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/adammchughwine/ Adam's Linktree page: https://linktr.ee/adammchugh

Click here to watch the episode on video. This week, we are joined by the insightful and influential Christian scholar Greg Boyd, who brings three decades of pastoral experience from Woodland Hills Church and a robust body of theological writings. In this episode, we dive into the intriguing concept of sensory bubbles, exploring how they shape our perception of reality and God's transcendence. Greg Boyd shares his thoughts on cataphatic and apophatic prayer, the humility inspired by Thomas Aquinas' realizations, and the balance between Jesus' divinity and humanity in orthodox Christology. The conversation takes a dynamic turn as we discuss atonement theories, Satan's influence, and the emerging divide within Christian circles around the response to power. Boyd also opens up about his journey with ADHD, the significance of staying distinct from societal polarization, and the profound lessons learned through humility and love. With humor, transparency, and a shared love for theology, we navigate through challenging topics such as the LGBTQ dialogue, climate crisis response, and the legitimacy of power in public life while keeping the spirit light with anecdotes about wine tasting and ministry life. Join us for an engaging and thoughtful conversation that promises a deeper understanding of faith, love, and the transformative power of keeping Jesus at the center. Grab your favorite glass of wine and tune in to this rich episode of "Cabernet and Pray." Wines in this episode: 2021 The Prisoner Red Wine 2020 Francis Ford Coppola Merlot Links: Greg's website: reknew.org Greg's Church: whchurch.org