Dance Real Podcast

Season 4 of the Dance Real Podcast, Going Global, explored what it really means to move through the dance world across countries, cultures, and life transitions. Across this season, Kate Histon spoke with dancers, educators, and leaders about relocating overseas, adapting to new systems, identity beyond performance, positive leadership, and the cost of unsafe dance practices. A reflective finale that brings together the biggest themes of growth, belonging, wellbeing, and the future of dance. Stay tuned for Season 5 and in the meantime, to stay in touch, sign up to Kate's Newsletter at www.katehiston.com

Season 4 Ep:11 In this episode of The Dance Real Podcast, Kate Histon sits down with Finnish dance leader, educator, and international adjudicator Marco Bjurström to explore what it means to lead, teach, and judge with integrity in the global dance landscape. Marco reflects on his early beginnings in Finland, from discovering dance through popular culture to building Step Up Company and Step Up School into one of the country’s most influential training environments. He shares how teaching beginners across rural Finland shaped his belief that dance is fundamentally about atmosphere, emotional safety, and the responsibility that comes with holding authority in a learning space. The conversation moves into the ethics of judging, where Marco outlines the difference between analysis and approval, and why honest, structured evaluation serves dancers more than pleasing feedback. Together, Kate and Marco explore cultural responsibility in choreography, including the importance of understanding the historical and social context of music and movement, and how competitions can become spaces for both artistic growth and ethical awareness. They also discuss originality in dance creation, the risks of trend-driven choreography, and why artistry emerges when a piece is shaped around the dancer rather than the formula. The episode closes with reflections on studio leadership, parent boundaries, and the role of communication in creating training environments that are both high-performing and psychologically safe. This is a thoughtful dialogue for dancers, educators, adjudicators, and studio leaders who care about excellence that is grounded in respect, responsibility, and human development.   Marco’s Career Credits • Co-founder of the Finnish Dance Organization (1989). • President of the Finnish Dance Organization (served three separate terms). • Member of the IDO Presidium (International Dance Organization). • Presidium member of the Finnish Dance Sport Federation. • International dance adjudicator, judging IDO competitions since 1988. • Supervisor for IDO Championships. Performance and Creative Work • Dancer in Cats at Helsinki City Theatre. • Founder of StepUp Company. • Founder of StepUp School (1997), which has grown from one studio into a major dance institution. • Choreographer of the musical HYPE at the Swedish Theatre in Helsinki (1994), a major commercial success. Stage Director and Choreographer Directed major theatre productions including: • Grease, Hair, Saturday Night Fever, Avenue Q , High School Musical (1 & 2),  Rent, A Chorus Line,  Chicago, The Prom,  From Berlin to Broadway, Hype Opera directing credits: • Carmen, Sillanpää Television, Creator of the StepUp Show (television series featuring dancers and celebrities)., Host of the hit Finnish television game show “BumtsiBum!” (approx. 230 episodes),  Host of Dancing With the Stars Finland (2006–2009),  Head Judge on So You Think You Can Dance Finland (2010). Choreographic and Creative Output • Creator of 18 large-scale adult dance productions. • Choreographer of 30+ dance formations, plus numerous small group and duet works.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep:10 Behind the Adjudicator’s Desk: What I Look For in Dance Competitions In this solo episode of The Dance Real Podcast, international adjudicator and mindset coach Kate Histon offers an honest and educational look behind the judging desk. Drawing from her experience adjudicating across Australia, Europe, and South Africa, Kate explains what truly matters on stage and how dancers, teachers, and parents can create healthier experiences in the competition space. Through grounded insights and gentle storytelling, she shares what she observes in strong performances: presence, artistry, musicality, and emotional connection. Kate also explores the often-overlooked factors that shape a dancer’s stage experience, such as recovery, stamina, and mindset and how each performance becomes an opportunity for growth rather than perfection. Parents and teachers will gain guidance on supporting children through both success and disappointment, learning how to foster resilience and self-worth beyond medals or rankings. This episode invites reflection on what competitions can teach us about presence, growth, and the art of truly being seen. Key Topics What adjudicators actually value during performances. The importance of presence, balance, and emotional connection. Choreography choices that support rather than overwhelm. How dancers can recover after mistakes and build resilience. The role of parents in helping children process disappointment. Why perfectionism undermines artistry and joy in dance. Competitions as a vehicle for growth, not validation. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep:09 In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate speaks with physiotherapist, researcher, and former dancer Dr Melanie Fuller about the growing physical demands placed on young dancers and the rising conversation around injury prevention in dance training. Dr Fuller has spent many years working with dancers across recreational, pre-professional, and professional settings. Her clinical and research work focuses on reducing injury risk and supporting dancers to train safely while sustaining long careers in the art form. Together, Kate and Melanie explore some of the most common injuries seen in dancers today and discuss why many of these injuries develop gradually through training loads that increase too quickly. They also look at the increasing pressure placed on young dancers to perform complex tricks, achieve extreme flexibility, and progress rapidly through training. The conversation examines the role of strength-based conditioning, gradual skill development, and body awareness in supporting healthy training environments. Melanie explains why strength training, rather than stretching alone, plays a critical role in reducing injury risk and building resilience in dancers’ bodies. Kate also reflects on her own experience as a dancer and teacher, including the psychological pressure many dancers feel when injured and the shame that can arise when young performers believe they are letting others down. This episode offers practical insight for dancers, teachers, parents, and studio leaders who want to better understand how to support high performance while protecting long-term physical and psychological wellbeing. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms     Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep:08 In this episode of Dance Real, Kate Histon speaks with former principal dancer Jenna about the long-term impact of a professional ballet career on the body, identity, and life beyond the stage. Jenna reflects on her early training, leaving Australia on scholarship, and the realities of entering elite ballet systems at a young age. She speaks candidly about homesickness, injury, and the subtle ways under-fuelling and performance culture shaped her relationship with her body over time. The conversation also touches on family, grief, and resilience. Jenna shares the profound influence of her parents, particularly her mother, whose strength and support shaped her values both as a dancer and as a person. She reflects on her mother’s illness and passing, and how that period deepened her perspective on care, priorities, and life beyond achievement. A central focus of the episode is Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport (RED-S) and how chronic under-fuelling affected Jenna’s health and fertility later in life. She shares her eight-year journey through infertility, IVF, and eventual motherhood through egg donation, offering a considered perspective that connects dance training, medical oversight, and long-term wellbeing. The episode also explores identity beyond performance, conscious retirement, and the transition into teaching, rehabilitation work, and life after dance. Throughout the conversation, Jenna and Kate reflect on the responsibility of educators, institutions, and families to understand the full cost of high-performance pathways and the importance of health, language, and longevity. This is a reflective and informative conversation for dancers, teachers, parents, and leaders interested in sustainable excellence and life beyond the stage. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4: Ep 07 In this episode of Dance Real, Kate speaks with Finnish dance educator, studio owner, and international adjudicator Suvi Salmi about studio leadership, the realities of running a dance school, and the evolving culture of dance training in the age of social media. Suvi shares the story of how she moved from being a dedicated performer into teaching and eventually opening her own studio. Along the way she developed a clear set of values that guide the culture of her school. One of the most distinctive decisions she has made is choosing not to film classes or post student videos online. Her intention is to protect the learning environment and allow dancers to focus on training, exploration, and artistic development without the pressure of constant public performance. Kate and Suvi also discuss the role of adjudicators in competitions and how dancers, parents, and teachers can better understand judging systems used internationally. Suvi explains the scoring structure used in many European competitions, where technique, composition, and image are evaluated separately in order to place dancers within a category. The conversation explores the difference between technical skill and expressive performance, the courage required to develop an original artistic voice, and the pressures dancers face in a highly competitive and digitally visible culture. This episode offers thoughtful insight for dancers, teachers, studio owners, and parents who are interested in cultivating strong training environments while supporting the long-term development of the dancer.   About the Guest Suvi Salmi is a Finnish dance educator, studio owner, and international dance adjudicator. She has worked extensively across performance and competition environments and brings a thoughtful perspective to dance education, studio leadership, and artistic development. Her work focuses on creating training environments where dancers receive individual feedback, develop strong technical foundations, and explore artistic expression within a respectful and focused learning culture. www.suvisalmidc.fi 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4: Ep:06 In this episode of Dance Real, Kate explores nervous system regulation as a foundational element of high performance in dance. Drawing on lived experience as a dancer, teacher, and studio owner, she explains how performance, confidence, creativity, and leadership are shaped by the nervous system rather than effort alone. This episode looks at why pushing harder often leads to burnout, injury, and anxiety, and how regulation supports sustainable artistry and leadership. Kate discusses how dancers, teachers, studio owners, and parents are all influenced by stress states, often without realising it, and offers practical ways to build awareness, regulation, and resilience in high-pressure dance environments. This episode is relevant for dancers, dance educators, studio leaders, and anyone interested in performance, wellbeing, and long-term sustainability in the dance world.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation, not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

In this episode of Dance Real, Kate speaks with Spencer Bloomfield, an 18-year-old dancer from regional New South Wales who has relocated to Germany to undertake full-time tertiary dance training at the Palucca University of Dance Dresden. Spencer reflects on what it has meant to leave home, family, and familiarity at a young age, and to step into adult life in a different country, culture, and language. Together, Kate and Spencer explore the emotional realities that often sit beneath the surface of overseas training opportunities, including loneliness, grief, identity formation, and the gradual process of adaptation. The conversation also touches on cultural differences between Australia and Germany, the experience of navigating language barriers, and the role that self-awareness and emotional literacy play in sustaining both wellbeing and growth during periods of major transition. This episode will be particularly meaningful for: Young dancers considering training away from home. Dance parents navigating the emotional side of letting their child leave. Educators interested in the developmental impact of elite training pathways. Anyone reflecting on belonging, identity, and growing up through change. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep: 04 In this episode of Dance Real, Kate Histon is joined by intimacy director and educator Nicole Perry for a grounded conversation on consent, power dynamics, trauma-informed practice, and psychological safety in dance and performance training. Together, they explore how consent-forward practice applies not only to intimacy and partnering, but to everyday teaching environments across ballet, contemporary, theatre, and musical theatre. Nicole explains the role of intimacy direction and coordination, clarifies common misconceptions, and unpacks how power operates in studios and classrooms, often without teachers realising it. The conversation also examines trauma-informed education, why trauma cannot be reduced to a checklist, and how psychological safety is experienced rather than declared. Practical, sustainable shifts are discussed for teachers who want to integrate consent awareness without abandoning structure, rigour, or high standards. This episode is for dance teachers, studio owners, parents, and dancers who care about ethical leadership, embodied learning, and creating training environments that support both excellence and agency. Connect with Nicole Perry; Book on Routledge, can pre-order as of 1/2/26: https://www.routledge.com/Care-full-Creativity-in-Theatre-and-Dance-Education-Consent-Forward-Trauma-Informed-Psychologically-Safe-Movement-Pedagogy/Perry/p/book/9781032979502 Book on Amazon, currently available for pre-order: https://www.amazon.com/Care-full-Creativity-Theatre-Dance-Education/dp/103297950X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0 Nicole's website Momentum's website IPEC's website Intimacy Direction in Dance website dancers.ai 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4: Ep: 03 Effective leadership in a dance studio requires more than management skills. It requires emotional intelligence, clear communication, strong boundaries, and systems that support psychological safety. In this solo episode of Dance Real, Kate reflects on over 23 years as a dance studio owner and leader. She explores what effective dance studio leadership actually looks like in practice, including how leaders influence emotional climate, manage conflict, create safety through systems, and sustain themselves over time. This episode is grounded in lived experience and professional reflection. It speaks directly to dance studio owners, directors, teachers, and leaders who are navigating complex relationships with staff, parents, and students. Kate discusses leadership as an evolving internal practice rather than a fixed role. She explains how self-regulation, boundaries, and clarity shape studio culture and why unresolved emotional dynamics often sit beneath recurring conflicts. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world:🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep:02 In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate Histon speaks with Co-Founder of Otoxia Productions John English, who co-director of Unbound, a powerful film following a group of professional ballet dancers who are also survivors of abuse within the ballet system. Unbound documents the formation of Ballet de Barcelona, a radical new company created by dancers who chose to walk away from toxic institutions and rebuild ballet on their own terms. Led by a gender-fluid director and grounded in values of inclusion, psychological safety, and artistic integrity, the dancers begin again with no funding, no institutional backing, and no guarantee of success. Together, Kate and John explore the realities behind the “code of silence” in ballet, the long-term impacts of abuse on identity and wellbeing, and the complex intersection of trauma, the body, and artistic expression. This conversation offers rare insight into what it takes to reclaim agency after harm, both individually and collectively. In this episode, we explore: • Why abuse and mistreatment remain structurally normalised in elite ballet training • The identity conflict dancers face when leaving institutions that shaped their entire sense of self • How trauma shows up in the body, rehearsal space, and performance • The emotional and ethical responsibilities of documenting vulnerable stories • What psychological safety looked like during the formation of Ballet de Barcelona • The role of leadership, consent, and trust in trauma-informed creative environments • Why dance itself can become a pathway for healing, resistance, and recovery • What parents, teachers, and studio owners can reflect on regarding culture and care John also shares how Unbound was made with consent as an ongoing relational process, rather than a one-time formality, and how the filmmakers intentionally prioritised trust, presence, and listening over extraction or spectacle. This episode speaks directly to dancers, educators, parents, and leaders, while remaining accessible to non-dancers interested in creativity, power, and human resilience. Where to watch Unbound: The film is available worldwide on Amazon Prime Video and Apple TV(excluding Spain, where it will be released in early 2026). To follow updates, behind-the-scenes material, and join the conversation, connect with Otoxia Productions and Unboundon Instagram. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 4 Ep:01 The Dance Journey of Adam Scown Choreographer, Educator & International Dance Adjudicator In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate Histon sits down with Adam Scown for an open, reflective conversation about building a sustainable career in dance across countries, cultures, and career stages. Adam shares his journey from training and working in Australia to establishing himself in the UK, offering insight into the realities of international dance careers, shifting industry expectations, and what truly supports longevity beyond talent alone. Together, Kate and Adam explore dance pedagogy, competition culture, judging, individuality, and the evolving needs of today’s dancers. This is a grounded, experience-led discussion that speaks to dancers, teachers, parents, and creatives navigating long-term pathways in the performing arts. 💭 Key themes: Sustainable careers require more than technical excellence Self-belief and consistency matter as much as opportunity Judging is subjective but grounded in the present moment Dance success looks different for different people Fulfilment and wellbeing remain valid outcomes 👤 About the guest: Adam Scown is an Australian-born choreographer, educator, and international dance adjudicator based in the UK. His career spans performance, choreography, higher education, and adjudication across multiple countries. Adam works closely with emerging dancers, focusing on professionalism, individuality, and long-term sustainability in the dance industry.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share, is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation, not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

After a year of recording The Dance Real Podcast, this new introduction felt necessary.   When I began, I knew what I wanted to question. Over time, I became clearer about what I was here to build: a space that honours high-level training while holding equal regard for wellbeing, agency, and relational integrity. A space where dancers, educators, and parents can reflect together on culture, leadership, the long-term impact of how we train, mindset for dancers, as well as inspirational journey's of those who have paved the way.   This updated introduction reflects that clarity. It acknowledges the realities many experience in the industry, including unspoken pressures, while remaining oriented toward thoughtful progress and conscious leadership. It brings my lived experience into closer alignment with the conversations on the podcast and the future I hope we continue shaping together.   The Dance Real Podcast has grown into a place for honest dialogue, shared responsibility, and a more human understanding of excellence. Thank you to everyone who has listened, reflected, and stayed curious along the way.   Season 4 begins February 2. If you have been listening for a while, I would love to know which themes have mattered most to you this past year.

Happy New Year! As we enter 2026, many people begin the year with resolutions. Kate opens this episode with a different view. She does not subscribe to New Year’s resolutions because they imply something about the self needs fixing. She does believe in goals. Goals offer direction, structure and growth without the self-judgement that resolutions often carry. This episode explores the psychology of setting meaningful goals for dancers, teachers, studio owners and parents. Kate reflects on how the way we set goals reveals our relationship with growth, control and self-worth. She explains why some goals energise us while others drain us, and how our underlying motivation shapes our experience of progress. Key themes include the difference between goals and expectations, the role of values in shaping direction, and the importance of pacing for nervous system regulation. Kate outlines a clear process for effective goal setting and describes how leaders can use these principles to strengthen communication and culture within their communities. The conversation also examines common traps such as perfectionism, rigid outcomes, all-or-nothing thinking and external validation. Kate offers insight into rebuilding a healthy relationship with goals through small commitments that restore self-trust. Listeners are invited to approach 2026 with steadiness and clarity. The focus is on who we become through the process of intention, action and reflection.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

A Guided Meditation for Reset and Renewal   This short guided practice is offered as a gift to listeners during the holiday season. It creates a quiet space to settle the body, steady the breath, and reconnect with a sense of inner clarity. The meditation supports gentle release and thoughtful renewal, inviting a calmer orientation as the year comes to a close.   Across the twelve minutes, you are guided toward awareness, softening, and presence. The intention is to provide a moment of stillness for dancers, parents, educators, and anyone navigating a full life. It can be used at any time, whether you need to unwind, reset, or return to yourself before moving into the rest of the day.   Thank you for being part of this community. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a peaceful, restorative holiday period in whatever way you celebrate.   I hope this practice offers ease and renewal when you need it.

www.katehiston.com - Join the Newsletter for more info. Season three has come to a close, and I want to acknowledge what this season represented. The theme was paving a new way. Each conversation, each solo reflection, and each story contributed to a wider shift in how we understand training, leadership, and care within the dance world. This season also marked a personal transition for me. I began The Dance Real Podcast while living in Germany. I recorded episodes between teaching commitments, language study, parenting, and travel. The show travelled with me. As I prepare to return to Australia, the podcast continues to evolve into a home for honest dialogue, thoughtful examination, and community learning. Thank you for being part of this space. Whether you joined for one episode or for the full season, your presence shapes the direction of the work. The conversations held here are offered with the intention of strengthening the culture of dance through clarity, insight, and relational understanding. However you spend the coming weeks, I hope you find rest, connection, and time to ground yourself. The podcast will return with new episodes, new voices, and a continued commitment to meaningful dialogue in the year ahead. Season three is complete. I look forward to meeting you again in season four.

Season 3 Ep:12 In this episode of The Dance Real Podcast, Kate speaks with Melanie Gard, co-founding member, chair and spokesperson of Dance Arts Alliance (DAA) and director of Peninsula School of Dance. Together, they explore what genuine child safety looks like in dance studios today, how Dance Arts Alliance is leading national advocacy for industry standards, and why safeguarding is about more than just policies, it is about culture, communication, and leadership. Melanie shares her journey from studio owner to advocate, how COVID-19 exposed the lack of industry representation at a national level, and why DAA formed to fill that gap. She and Kate discuss common risks in dance education, the importance of boundaries between teachers and students, and how to build trust and transparency within schools and families. This thoughtful conversation highlights both the complexity and hope of creating environments where children can thrive artistically and emotionally, and where dance educators feel empowered to lead responsibly. 🩰 Topics Covered The origins and mission of Dance Arts Alliance in Australia What makes a genuinely child-safe culture in dance Common safety gaps and risks in dance studios Power dynamics between teachers and students Why safeguarding goes beyond compliance and requires reflection Setting healthy social media and boundary policies The need for national regulation and advocacy in dance Parents’ role in ensuring their child’s safety and wellbeing How early dance training can remain playful, safe, and developmentally sound The importance of uplifting ethical leadership and transparency in the industry 🧠 Key Insights “A piece of paper isn’t a culture.” True safeguarding requires embodied practice, not just policy. Teachers must understand their power and continually reflect on how they hold it. Healthy dance environments prioritise openness, communication, and respect over perfection. Parents can use child-safety awareness as a guide when choosing a studio. Regulation must be industry-led to ensure relevance and trust. 🔗 Connect with Dance Arts Alliance Website: www.danceartsalliance.org.au Instagram: @danceartsalliance_ Peninsula School of Dance: www.peninsuladance.com.au   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share, is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation, not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

How to Stop Bullying in the Dance Studio Description Bullying in dance studios rarely looks dramatic. It often grows through small exclusions, subtle alliances, and unspoken hierarchies that shape the emotional climate of a group. In this episode, Kate explores how bullying develops in dance settings, why it takes hold so easily in high-pressure environments, and what leaders can do to disrupt the patterns early. This conversation examines group dynamics, power structures, and the conditions that allow relational aggression to form. It also offers practical approaches for teachers, studio owners, and parents who want to create a culture of psychological safety without losing clarity or authority. Topics include: • How bullying emerges in training environments • Why some students become targets within group dynamics • The role of teacher presence and boundaries • Strategies for early intervention • Ways to strengthen communication with families • Building a culture that supports accountability and emotional steadiness This episode is intended for dance educators, adjudicators, parents, and anyone who contributes to a healthy training environment. It encourages reflection, grounded leadership, and a more mature understanding of how studio culture is shaped.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

In this episode, Kate Histon is joined by Georgina Pazcoguin, soloist, author, and advocate for change in the performing arts. Known as The Rogue Ballerina, Georgina made history as the first Asian American woman to be promoted out of the corps de ballet at New York City Ballet. Her memoir Swan Dive: The Making of a Rogue Ballerina offers an honest and often humorous look into the world of elite ballet, revealing the grit, isolation, and courage behind the glamour. Georgina speaks about her upbringing in Pennsylvania, the cultural and systemic barriers she faced as a dancer, and the moment she decided to tell her story. She discusses identity, artistry, body image, injury, and recovery, describing how advocacy became a natural extension of her creative life. The conversation touches on the founding of Final Bow for Yellowface, the Me Too era in dance, and the cost of speaking up in systems that resist change. Kate and Georgina explore how tradition can evolve without losing rigour, what a healthy company culture should feel like, and why younger dancers need mentors who remember what it was like to be in their shoes. They discuss autonomy, the psychological impact of control within institutions, and the process of redefining oneself after leaving a major company. Georgina also shares her current projects across theatre and film, including her one-woman show Swan Dive and an upcoming performance series in London supporting Ukrainian law students. The episode closes with reflections on visibility, presence, and respect between artist and audience, and on how applause is part of the sacred exchange that keeps live performance alive. This is an inspiring and deeply human conversation about courage, artistry, and the evolving identity of ballet in the modern world. Learn more about Georgina Pazcoguin: Website: Amazon 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston | @dance_real_podcast | @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share, and what my guests share, is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you are seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and do not always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation, not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 3 Ep: 09 In this episode, Kate speaks with Terry Hyde MA MBACP, a former professional dancer with The Royal Ballet and English National Ballet who later retrained as a psychotherapist. Terry is the founder of Counselling for Dancers and STEPPS Charity, a UK-based organisation dedicated to supporting the mental health and wellbeing of dancers and performing artists. Together, they explore how perfectionism, fear, and cultural conditioning shape a dancer’s mindset from early training through professional life. Terry explains how subconscious bias, language, and pressure can erode confidence and create patterns of anxiety, people-pleasing, and burnout. Kate and Terry also discuss the legacy of abusive teaching methods, how trauma manifests in adulthood, and what it takes to create psychologically safe learning environments. They touch on competition culture, judging bias, and how both teachers and parents can help young dancers build resilience without sacrificing wellbeing. This conversation offers insight not only for dancers and teachers, but also for anyone working within the performing arts ecosystem who values emotional literacy and trauma-informed practice. Key Themes: The psychology of fear (F.E.A.R. = False Evidence Appearing Real) and its impact on performance. Perfectionism and black-and-white thinking in dance culture. The legacy of abusive training and its influence on adult mental health. People-pleasing, anxiety, and self-worth in high-pressure environments. The difference between supportive correction and shaming language in teaching. Competition culture, judging bias, and how awareness changes fairness. Building holistic, trauma-informed dance education that nurtures both skill and self. How teachers and parents can support rather than fix dancers’ struggles. The work of STEPPS Charity, offering accessible mental health and first aid training for dancers and arts professionals.   Guest Bio: Terry Hyde MA MBACP began his career as a professional dancer with The Royal Ballet and English National Ballet before moving into musical theatre, film, and television. After retiring from the stage, he retrained as a psychotherapist and founded Counselling for Dancers and STEPPS Charity (Support Through Education of Performing and Production Arts Students), a UK-based organisation providing affordable mental health support and education for dancers and performing artists. Terry’s work bridges lived experience and clinical insight, helping dancers navigate anxiety, perfectionism, and transition within a profession that often equates worth with performance. Visit counsellingfordancers.com or steps.charity for more information. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 3 Ep:08 Resilience is one of the most used words in the dance world, yet it is often misunderstood. Many dancers think it means pushing through pain, hiding disappointment, or toughening up so no one can see them crack. In truth, that is suppression, not resilience. In this episode, Kate explores the real meaning of resilience: the ability to feel emotions fully, process them, and move forward with balance and adaptability. She unpacks why emotional processing is the foundation of true resilience, and how dancers can avoid the rigidity that comes from burying feelings. Kate also discusses the role of the nervous system in managing setbacks, offering practical tools like breathwork, grounding, shaking out tension, and recovery rituals. Teachers and parents will find guidance on how to create safe spaces for disappointment, support dancers without rushing them to “get over it,” and celebrate recoveries as much as wins. Key insights include: The difference between resilience and suppression. Why emotional processing strengthens dancers. Nervous system regulation tools for stress and setbacks. Recovery rituals that help dancers reset. Practical exercises for classrooms, auditions, and home life. How teachers and parents can nurture resilience by shifting focus from outcomes to experiences. Resilience in dance is not about becoming harder. It is about staying open, adaptable, and connected so challenges do not close dancers down. Resources Mentioned Film, Name, Frame exercise. Emotion Debrief after auditions or performances. Reset Breath pause in class. Creative Resilience Journal. Parent check-in: comfort, advice, or space. Closing Reflection Resilience is essential in dance, but it cannot be built on suppression. When dancers are supported to process emotions, they develop resilience that sustains them not only through training but through life. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 3 Ep:07 Australian Dance Adjudicators President Lisa Maloney joins Kate Histon to unpack what high-quality judging looks like in practice: core competencies, the balance of technique and stagecraft, and how clear feedback helps dancers and teachers improve. Lisa explains how adjudicators calibrate consistency across sections using the first performance as an anchor; how to structure voice or written critiques so competitors leave with one or two applicable notes; and how to address age appropriateness in music and costuming while maintaining psychological safety. The conversation covers how an adjudicator runs the day, progressive placing, and timekeeping that respects young performers. It also explores bias management, professional boundaries on social media, and the values that sustain trust in competitive settings. Trends and training are discussed with attention to musical phrasing, trick-heavy choreography, and safeguarding developing bodies, alongside thoughts on the future of voice critiques and the importance of live theatre.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.   #DanceJudge #DanceMindset #DanceTeachers #DanceParents #DanceTraining #AustralianDanceAdjudicator #DancerWellbeing #DanceEducation #KateHiston #LisaMaloney

Season 3 Ep:06 In this inspirational episode, Kate Histon sits down with Austin Crumley, The Ballet Educator, to discuss what human-centred ballet looks like inside a working dance studio. The conversation focuses on leadership in the room: steady pacing that protects attention; brief readiness check-ins; clear boundaries that keep learning safe; feedback that is specific and proportionate; and closing rituals that help dancers integrate the work. They discuss why teachers should avoid teaching from fear, and how personal reflection, therapy, or supervision supports cleaner decision-making so past baggage is not carried into the studio. Social and emotional wellbeing sits alongside technical standards, with practical ideas for reading early fatigue, aligning demands with current capacity, and communicating with parents. Austin talks about periodic training: phasing effort across busy periods, tapering before performances, and protecting recovery after peaks. The aim is simple and rigorous: high standards that respect bodies, minds, and relationships. A must listen episode! To find out more about Austin visit his instagram @theballeteductor 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided. #HumanCentred #DanceMindset #periodictraining #AustinCrumley #DanceTeachers #DanceParents #DanceTraining #MentalHealthInDance #DancerWellbeing #DanceEducation #KateHiston #perfectionism

Season 3 Ep:05 In this solo episode of Dance Real Podcast, Kate explores perfectionism in the lives of pre-professional dancers. While perfectionism can sharpen detail and raise standards, it can also drain confidence, increase anxiety, and diminish joy. Kate unpacks how perfectionism shows up in daily habits, inner self-talk, and relationships with teachers and parents. She offers practical strategies that both teachers and parents can use to support dancers in balancing excellence with self-compassion. Topics in this episode include: The difference between healthy high standards and perfectionism Why language from teachers and parents deeply shapes a dancer’s inner voice Practical exercises such as progress journaling, the 80% rule, and “mistake rituals” How parents can reframe post-performance conversations at home The importance of modelling imperfection as adults Protecting a dancer’s identity and joy by encouraging life outside of dance By the end of the episode, listeners will walk away with tangible tools to help dancers thrive both in and beyond the studio.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.   #DanceResilience #DanceMindset #EmotionalResilience #HealthyDanceCulture #DanceTeachers #DanceParents #DanceTraining #MentalHealthInDance #DancerWellbeing #DanceEducation #KateHiston #perfectionism

Season 3 Ep:04 Illuminating Mental Wellness in Dance Trigger Warning: This episode includes discussion of mental health challenges such as perfectionism, anxiety, body image, and eating disorders. Listener discretion is advised. If you are affected by these topics, please reach out for professional support or visit local mental health resources in your area. In this episode of Dance Real Podcast, Kate speaks with the founders of the Ilumn Collective: Kari Brunson Wright, Josh Spell, and Rachel Coats. All three are former professional dancers who have transformed their lived experience into work supporting the mental wellness of dancers today. Together they explore the challenges dancers face with perfectionism, body image, self-worth, and identity, and share how Ilumn Collective is creating accessible tools for mental health in dance training and professional companies. Their reflections highlight what dancers, parents, and teachers can do to foster healthier training environments while honouring the joy of dance. Topics covered: The transition from professional performance to supporting dancer wellness. Perfectionism and self-criticism in both pre-professional and professional dancers. The role of body image and nutrition pressures in ballet culture. The importance of self-compassion and building resilience. Social media and its impact on young dancers’ mental health. Guidance for parents, teachers, and company directors in supporting dancers. Why identity beyond dance is essential for long-term wellbeing. Whether you are a dancer, parent, teacher, or simply someone who loves the art form, this conversation offers insight, honesty, and practical wisdom. To find out more about Ilumn visit Instagram @the_ilumn_collective 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 3 Ep:03 In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, I sit down with mother–daughter duo Kate and Kyra Martinov to explore the shared journey of teaching, parenting, and dancing together. Kate reflects on her own path from small-town beginnings to performing overseas and eventually founding Bay Dance Academy in Nelson Bay. She shares the joys and challenges of teaching her daughter within a family-run studio while balancing the transitions of career and family life. Kyra, now in the Queensland Ballet’s pre-professional program, speaks candidly about the pressures of elite training, the role of journaling and routines in maintaining balance, and the grounding influence of time spent in nature. Together, Kate and Kyra reflect on the values of respect, openness, and resilience that supported their relationship both inside and outside the studio. Listeners will hear: The realities of navigating a mother–daughter relationship in a dance studio. How family values shape training environments and dancer wellbeing. Strategies for managing stress, discipline, and pressure as a pre-professional dancer. Reflections on resilience, joy, and what sustains a love for dance. Stay tuned right to the end of the conversation for some very exciting news about Kyra’s next chapter. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season 3: Ep:02 In this solo episode, Kate explores trauma-aware teaching in the dance studio through a clear, practical lens: how the nervous system adapts under sustained pressure; why safety and rigour must be held together; and what this looks like in daily practice. She defines trauma awareness for studio settings, distinguishes it from therapy, and offers concrete habits that protect dignity and sustain excellence: specific correction without humiliation; pacing that reads signs of overwhelm and allows brief regulation; structured choice that preserves agency without lowering expectations; calm, consistent boundaries that build trust; and a culture that names effort, risk, and process as foundations for long-term skill. Kate also reflects on how well-meant mindset tools can drift into gaslighting when safety is absent, and why self-reflection for teachers and parents reduces the pull to repeat harmful norms. The episode closes with a steady premise: when safety and rigour are integrated, dancers carry technical mastery with self-respect, and studios mature into environments that people trust 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.   #traumaawaredanceteacher #DanceMindset #traumaaware #DanceTeachers #DanceParents #DanceTraining #MentalHealthInDance #DancerWellbeing #DanceEducation #KateHiston #perfectionism

Season 3 Ep: 01 Opens with artist, advocate and thought leader Josef Brown: former Soloist with The Australian Ballet; principal performer with Sydney Dance Company; featured artist with Modern Dance Turkey in Ankara. His range spans ballet and contemporary stages, musical theatre, film, and television, including roles in Dance Academy, Spartacus, and Neighbours. He now channels that breadth into creative work and sector advocacy, and he leads The Library Aesthetic, a curated hub for credible dance health and education. Josef traces the inner terrain beneath the resume: a late start and a sense of belonging at The McDonald College; the culture shock of The Australian Ballet School; the anxious mask many performers develop in high stakes settings. He reflects on injury as a turning point, the move into contemporary work, and the different demands of screen performance. Together we consider teaching as its own craft, how to awaken intrinsic drive, the limits of a trick focus in training, and the value of evidence informed resources for studios and young dancers. Through it all the throughline is clear: curiosity, disciplined process, and connection to self, others, music, and space. To find out more about The Library Aesthetic DANCE MEDIA visit https://thelibraryaesthetic.com 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share and what my guests share is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided. #KateHiston #JosefBrown #DanceRealPodcast #DanceEducation #DanceHealth #Ballet #ContemporaryDance #DanceTeacher #PerformanceAnxiety #TheLibraryAesthetic

Episode Summary In this short solo episode, Kate reflects on the journey of Season 2 of The Dance Real Podcast—a season filled with bold conversations, personal stories, expert insights, and unapologetic truths about the dance world.   From examining competition culture and coercive power dynamics to unpacking pedagogical frameworks, parenting roles, emotional safety, and embodied creativity, Season 2 has taken us on a deeply human ride through the layers of dance training and artistic growth.   Kate shares her personal highlights, recurring themes that emerged, and the growing movement toward more conscious, holistic, and empowered dance environments.   This episode also includes a heartfelt invitation: If you have a story that aligns with the purpose of Dance Real—whether it’s about harm, healing, leadership, or liberation—Kate would love to hear from you. ⸻ Themes Explored in Season 2: •Rethinking competition and performance-based identities •Boundaries, consent, and safety in training spaces •Teaching methods, pedagogy, and community impact •Improvisation as a creative and personal life philosophy •The dance parent’s role: what helps, what harms •Nutrition, perfectionism, and the dancer’s body •Recognizing and healing from coercive systems •Reclaiming emotional and creative agency in dance ⸻ Connect & Share Your Story   Have a personal or professional story that could inspire, inform, or challenge the dance community? Kate is currently curating Season 3 and welcomes diverse voices from dancers, teachers, adjudicators, parents, and beyond.   📩 Reach out via Instagram: @katehiston 🌐 Or submit via website: www.katehiston.com   ⸻ Leave a Review or Share the Podcast If you’ve found value in these episodes, please consider leaving a rating and review on your podcast platform—it helps more people find Dance Real. And if there’s an episode that resonated with you, share it with a friend or fellow creative.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two  Ep:14 Dance Real Reflections: How to be a Dance Mum without Losing Yourself or Your Child   In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate pulls back the curtain on the powerful influence dance parents have—not just on their child’s dance journey, but on their emotional wellbeing. Speaking from her own lived experience growing up with a well meaning but high-pressure dance mum, and later navigating the dance world as a teacher, studio owner, and parent herself, Kate explores the fine line between support and pressure. She dives into the do’s and don’ts for dance parents, sharing insight into how to foster autonomy, emotional resilience, and a healthy passion for dance—without unknowingly tipping into control or perfectionism. Whether you’re a dance parent, teacher, or just someone curious about the unspoken dynamics behind the scenes, this episode offers a real, raw, and constructive conversation about what kids really need to thrive.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms    Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two  Ep: 16 Starving For Success? Dance Nutrition and the Truth No one Talks About with Dr. Stephanie Potreck. In this powerful episode of the Dance Real Podcast, host Kate Histon is joined by medical doctor and dance nutritionist Dr. Stephanie Podreck, whose career spans medicine, sports nutrition, and global health—and is deeply rooted in her own experience as a professional dancer. Together, they unpack the often-unspoken realities of dancer health, including: * The connection between under-fuelling, delayed development, and injury—and why this is still a crisis decades after the research emerged. * The emotional roots of disordered eating, including trauma, perfectionism, and unstable family dynamics. * How dance schools can be both a trigger and a solution—and what red flags to watch for in students. * Why a dancer’s performance suffers not from a lack of willpower—but a lack of food, rest, and recovery. * What a healthy day of meals and snacks looks like for a 14-year-old dancer. * The hard truths about some European schools, including outdated pedagogy, poor student welfare, and the emotional toll of international transitions. * Strategies for supporting dancers moving overseas, including food prep, housing, and building resilience. * The psychological harm of body shaming and archaic teaching—and why the dance world must evolve now. Dr. Podreck also shares how her clinic, AusDancers Overseas, supports dancers in building sustainable health practices from pre-professional training into company life. This conversation is essential listening for: ✔️ Dance teachers ✔️ Studio owners ✔️ Parents of aspiring dancers ✔️ Students navigating elite training Get In Touch with Stephanie Potreck 🌐 Website: www.ausdancersoverseas.com 📷 Instagram: @ausdancersoverseas 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world:🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms After Show Notes: The book Kate referred to is correctly called "Apollo’s Angels": A History of Ballet is authored by Jennifer Homans, a former professional ballerina turned dance scholar and critic. It offers a sweeping cultural and historical examination of ballet from its Renaissance origins to modern times.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep:15   In this episode of The Dance Real Podcast, Kate unpacks the often-hidden emotional dynamics that dancers, teachers, and leaders navigate in high-pressure environments—including covert competition, credit theft, love bombing, and silent sabotage. Drawing from lived experience not only as a dancer, teacher, studio owner, and adjudicator (as well as her professional training in Human Behaviour)—but also as someone who grew up around emotionally complex dynamics—Kate offers a blend of personal insight, professional perspective, and trauma-informed strategies to help dancers protect their energy and trust their instincts. With clear tools and boundary-setting practices, this episode empowers listeners to prioritise emotional well-being and rise above manipulative behaviour—on and off the dance floor.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms    Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep: 11 Finding Your Voice - Exploring Identity, Power, and Pedagogy with Dr Kathrina Farrugia-Kriel In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Dr. Kathrina Farrugia-Kriel shares her extensive journey in dance scholarship, exploring the cultural influences that shaped her education and career. She discusses the transformative power of dance education, the importance of finding one's voice, and the role of empathy in teaching. Kathrina emphasizes the need for curiosity and evolution in the dance world, while also addressing the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead. The conversation highlights the significance of community, the recovery of historical figures in dance, and the impact of technology on education. Ultimately, Kathrina offers valuable advice for young dancers, encouraging them to keep an open mind and embrace their unique paths in the dance world.   Get In Touch with Dr Kathrina Farrugia-Kriel 🌐 Website: www.drfarrugiakriel.com   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms    Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two  Ep: 10 Improvisation in the Art of Life - Dance Real Reflection   In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate explores the concept of improvisation not just in dance but as a vital life practice. She emphasizes the importance of curiosity over judgment, the need for spaciousness in our actions, and the detrimental effects of harsh self-judgment. Kate encourages listeners to embrace improvisation as a mindset that allows for exploration, growth, and self-kindness, ultimately viewing life as a dynamic and evolving score where we are the dancers.   🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep: 09 Dance is Broken? Improvisation Might be the Fix In this rich and heartfelt conversation, Kate Histon reconnects with longtime friend and fellow dance educator Jen Murray to reflect on their shared roots in Byron Bay and the evolving landscape of dance education. Together, they explore Jen’s journey through contemporary dance, her deep belief in the power of improvisation, and the essential role it plays in unlocking creativity and confidence—especially for classical ballet dancers. Jen opens up about the art of guiding students through improvisation, the joy of collaborative choreography, and the importance of creating emotionally safe spaces. A central theme throughout is practicing responsiveness in teaching—meeting students where they are, adapting with empathy, and staying attuned to both the energy in the room and the individual dancer’s needs. The episode also delves into the interplay between motherhood and teaching, the cultural shifts reshaping how we nurture young dancers, and the responsibility educators carry in shaping not just skilled technicians, but expressive and empowered artists. This episode is a warm, wisdom-filled listen for anyone passionate about the heart behind the technique. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep:08 Dance Real Reflection "Integrating the Mind, Body and Soul" In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate Histon dives deep into what it truly means to develop a Master Dancer Mindset—one that unites the mind, body, and soul. Far beyond steps and technique, Kate challenges traditional training norms and reveals how intuition, presence, and emotional intelligence are often the missing links in performance and artistry. She explores how these inner tools can elevate not only a dancer’s ability but also their confidence, wellbeing, and connection to self. Whether you’re a dancer, teacher, or parent, Kate shares powerful and practical insights to help nurture whole humans—not just polished performers. Tune in to discover: * Why integrating the mind, body, and soul matters now more than ever * How intuition and inner awareness can transform stage presence * What practical shifts studios and families can make to support deeper growth This episode is a must-listen for anyone ready to redefine success in dance through a more conscious and holistic lens. 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @dance_real_podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset    Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep: 07 ‘The Power of Intuition in Dance' with Professor Allison Pagano In this enlightening conversation, Kate Histon speaks with Alison Pagano, a former dance professor and creator of Embodied Dance. They explore the profound connection between intuition, mental health, and the dance industry. Alison shares her personal journey of healing through dance, the importance of self-acceptance, and how embodied practices can transform both dancers and their art. The discussion emphasizes the need for a shift in the dance community towards a more holistic approach that values emotional well-being and authentic expression. For more information on Embodied Dance Visit www.embodied-dance.com or @embodied.dance on instagram 🩰 Stay Connected with Kate Follow Kate for more episodes, personal reflections, and real-talk on healing and integrity in the dance world: 🌐 Website: www.katehiston.com 📷 Instagram: @katehiston @Dance_Real_Podcast @Master_Dancer_Mindset 🎧 Podcast: Dance Real Podcast – Available on Spotify, Apple, and all major platforms   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Episode: 06 Dance Real Reflections : How I Approached Dance Competitions as A Dance Studio Owner   In this episode of the Dance Real Podcast, Kate Histon discusses the complexities of dance competitions, emphasizing the importance of managing competition culture within studios, the role of parents, and the significance of feedback in judging. She shares her experiences and insights on creating a supportive environment for dancers, the value of personal development, and the need for balance in dance education. The conversation highlights the importance of leadership and informed decision-making in navigating the competitive landscape of dance.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional. The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent. By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep:05 Beyond the Trophy; It’s a must-listen for educators, parents, judges, and dancers who care deeply about growth, values, and creating lasting impact through dance. In this inspiring and expansive conversation, Dance Real host Kate Histon is joined by industry thought leader and author Chasta Hamilton, who shares her journey from high-stakes competition culture to building a more holistic, heart-led approach to dance education. Chasta, known for her acclaimed book Trash the Trophies, opens up about what led her to make bold changes in her studio model—and how those decisions ultimately created stronger training, deeper community, and more empowered dancers. Kate brings her own unique insight as a former studio owner and current international adjudicator, reflecting on her personal process of managing competitive culture, navigating parent expectations, and making space for personal development and emotional growth. She also speaks candidly about the emotional transition of selling her studio. Together, they explore: ✔️ The evolving role of competition in dancer development ✔️ How to lead with values, clarity, and conscious communication ✔️ Replacing comparison culture with process-based progress ✔️ Studio ownership, private equity, and sustainable models of success ✔️ Chasta’s nonprofit Girls Geared for Greatness and dance as a tool for leadership Whether you’re a dance parent, teacher, studio owner, or industry leader—this conversation offers both inspiration and practical insight for building a more intentional future in dance. To find out more about Chasta: Personal Website: https://www.chastahamilton.com/ Books: The Trophy Trap Trash the Trophies Handle the Horrible Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep:04 For the Ballerina Who Wants More Than Perfect Lines… 🩰✨ Isadora Duncan’s Philosopher’s Stone wasn’t a rejection of dance—it was a call to reconnect with its soul. She believed true artistry comes when movement flows from within, not just from mastering form. For the career-focused ballerina: 🌿 Let ballet be your language, but speak with your soul 🌿 Feel before you perform — technique is the vessel, not the source 🌿 Move from emotion, not expectation 🌿 Dare to be real, not just perfect You don’t have to abandon ballet to be authentic—you just have to let your truth lead your technique. ✨ The next era of dance belongs to those who can do both.    

Season Two Ep: 03 "That's Not OK!" Consent in Dance   In this podcast episode, Kate Histon interviews Cindy Ambridge about the importance of consent and boundaries in dance education. They discuss the evolving understanding of consent, the significance of communication, and the need for a collaborative approach in teaching. The conversation also touches on the impact of trauma on students and the importance of creating a safe and respectful environment in dance studios. In this conversation, Kate Histon and Cindy Ambridge explore the multifaceted impact of dance education on mental health, emphasizing the importance of holistic approaches, individuality, and establishing boundaries in teacher-student relationships. They discuss the pressures of performance and the need for emotional regulation, highlighting the significance of breathwork and self-awareness in fostering a supportive dance environment. In this conversation, Kate Histon and Cindy Ambridge explore the importance of compassion in teaching, the need for change in dance education, and the critical issues of safety and consent in the dance industry. The conversation concludes with reflections on age, experience, and the ongoing journey of personal and professional growth in the dance world. Note: When Cindy used the term "indecent image" she means to say "intimate image" www.classfortheheart.com   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep: 02 "The First Time I was Hit in Dance"  *Content Warning: This episode contains sensitive content about a childhood experience of being hit in a ballet class. Listener discretion is advised. In this solo mini episode, Kate Histon shares a deeply personal story: the first time she was hit by a ballet teacher at just six years old. More than a reflection on one moment, this episode explores how toxic cultures in the dance world can take root—and why so many dancers and families stay silent. Kate unpacks the subtle dynamics of manipulation, misplaced loyalty, and cultural conditioning that allow abuse to be normalized. With compassion and clarity, she invites listeners to trust their instincts, recognise red flags, and reflect on the difference between a tough day and a toxic system. This is a conversation for dancers, teachers, and parents who want a healthier future for our industry. After-note: Kate’s mention of being called “special” and “talented” reflects the language used to keep dancers compliant—not self-praise. She highlights how even compliments can be used manipulatively in toxic environments. **For anyone who would like further information on the impact Kates experience had on her from this school and her healing journey you can listen to a podcast episode from 2022 on "Post Traumatic Growth" with the Hey Soul Sista Podcast. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/hey-soul-sista-by-melissa-histon/id1479778469?i=1000579113749   Disclaimer: This episode shares Kate’s personal lived experience within a particular school and broader dance culture. It is not intended to defame or accuse any individual or institution, but to contribute to important conversations about dancer well-being, teacher influence, and systemic patterns in the performing arts. All reflections are offered with care, respect, and a commitment to positive change. Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Season Two Ep: 01 In this enlightening conversation, dance educator Marie Walton-Mahon shares her inspiring journey from a young dancer to a global mentor in the dance community. With over 50 years of experience, Marie discusses her early influences, the challenges she faced in her training, and the importance of creating a supportive environment for dancers. She highlights the development of Progressing Ballet Technique, a revolutionary body conditioning program, and addresses the impact of social media on the dance culture. Marie advocates for a universal code of practice in dance education to promote ethical standards and support the well-being of students. AFTER NOTE: In the episode, Marie shared her experience as a young teenager who was coerced by a person in power. She was not in a position of authority—she was a vulnerable minor herself—and has carried the weight of that experience for many years. Her decision to speak publicly wasn’t to excuse harm, but to bravely shed light on how abuse of power can manipulate not only victims, but bystanders too. These are the uncomfortable conversations we need to have so the dance world can do better. We thank Marie for her bravery and honesty. **For anyone who would like further information on the impact Kates experience had on her from this school and her healing journey you can listen to a podcast episode from 2022 on "Post Traumatic Growth" with the Hey Soul Sista Podcast. https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/hey-soul-sista-by-melissa-histon/id1479778469?i=1000579113749   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Ep: 08 "I Never Won a Dance Competition and Still became Principal Dancer" Rethinking the Dance Industry with Shane Wuerthner In this thought-provoking episode, Shane Wuerthner shares game-changing insights that challenge conventional perspectives in the dance world. From perfectionism and competition culture to body composition and beyond, Shane delves into key issues shaping the industry today. Through the lens of his own journey—from professional ballet dancer to coach and founder of Athletistry—he offers invaluable lessons that will leave you both educated and inspired. He opens up about the challenges dancers face, the pressures of competition, and the crucial role of mental health and artistry in training. With a strong emphasis on a holistic approach, Shane advocates for a dance culture that prioritizes well-being and fosters true artistic evolution.  Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Ep:07 “I was Told I Couldn’t Dance Again” In this conversation, former professional soloist ballet dancer Charlene Dujardin shares her inspiring journey from overcoming a life-altering injury to becoming a dance teacher and studio owner. She discusses the challenges she faced in her career, the importance of self-belief, and her vision for nurturing future dancers. Charline emphasizes the significance of focusing on personal growth and the love for dance, rather than comparing oneself to others in the industry.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.  

Ep: 06 “My Drive comes from Within” The journey of Amelie Pollock from student to Professional Dancer. In this podcast episode, Amelie Pollock shares her inspiring journey from a young dancer in Byron Bay to a professional jazz dancer now living in London. She discusses the importance of family support, the challenges of transitioning to full-time dance training, and her experiences in the competitive dance industry. Amelie reflects on her first professional job, the impact of moving to London, and the significance of community in navigating friendships and competition. She also addresses the misconceptions about a dance career and offers valuable advice for aspiring dancers. Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.  

Ep: 05 - "Breaking the Cycle" - Supporting young Dancers without Passing on Our Wounds" In this enlightening conversation, Kaz Amos, a psychologist, discusses the mental health challenges faced by young dancers and the crucial role parents and teachers play in supporting them. The dialogue explores the developmental stages of children, the importance of emotional support, and the impact of toxic environments in dance schools. Kaz emphasizes the need for compassion over control in parenting and the potential dangers of social media for young dancers. The conversation concludes with insights on fostering a healthy relationship with dance and the importance of self-regulation and emotional well-being.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.  

Ep: 04 "Don't Try to be Perfect" In this conversation, Katherina Makowskaja, a former principal ballerina, shares her journey from childhood in a dance family to becoming a renowned dancer and now a teacher. She discusses her early training in Ukraine, the challenges of competition, and the pressures of performing in a ballet company. Katherina reflects on her transition from dancing to teaching, emphasizing the importance of self-reflection and understanding in education. She offers valuable insights for aspiring dancers, highlighting the significance of passion over perfection in their careers. Find Katherina on instagram @katherinamakowskaja    Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Ep: 03 "Unstoppable" In this episode Janelle McPherson shares her inspiring journey from being an ex-professional dancer at the Moulin Rouge and across Europe including the “It Girls” to navigating life after dance. She discusses her early dance experiences, the rigorous training and performances at the Moulin Rouge, and the emotional challenges of transitioning to a new career. Janelle emphasizes the importance of self-discovery, resilience, and the skills learned through dance that have helped her in her new ventures, including running a coffee roastery in Byron Bay. This episode is both entertaining and educational. An episode not to be missed! You can find Janelle on instagram @Janelle_Louise_M or @Busy_Bird_Coffee   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.

Ep: 02 - "You Can't Judge talent" Ever want to know how a Dance Judge adjudicates a competition? In this conversation, Rachel Jackson (International Dance Judge & Examiner) shares how! As well as her extensive experience in the dance world, discussing her journey from dancer to teacher and examiner. She emphasizes the importance of self-care for educators, the challenges faced in dance education, and the evolving landscape of dance training. Rachel also delves into the role of competitions, the intricacies of judging, and the significance of assessment criteria in dance exams. Throughout the discussion, she highlights the need for a balanced approach to teaching that prioritizes the well-being of students and fosters a positive learning environment.   Disclaimer: The Dance Real Podcast is a space for open, honest conversations rooted in real-life experiences within the dance world. What I share—and what my guests share—is based on personal perspective, not professional advice. If you’re seeking support for your mental health, legal matters, or business decisions, I encourage you to speak with a qualified professional.   The views expressed by guests are their own and don’t always reflect mine. Any references to people, places, or situations are shared with respect and the intent to spark reflection, learning, and conversation—not to harm or misrepresent.   By engaging with this content, you acknowledge and agree that the host, guests, and Dance Real Podcast are not liable for any decisions made based on the information provided.