Everybody's Business

Summer travel this year is shaping up to be an absolutely expensive, chaotic, shrill time. Luckily, we have the cheat codes for avoiding (some of) it. Recorded live at the Ludlow House in New York City for On Air, Max Chafkin and Stacey Vanek Smith, tap Bloomberg travel czar Nikki Ekstein and The Points Guy’s Brian Kelly to provide some understanding, wisdom and good old fashioned travel hacks to lower your anxiety.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week Max and Stacey look at two legal battles reshaping the worlds of tech and public health. OpenAI, which started off as a nonprofit, is now worth roughly $850 billion as it eyes an IPO and battles Elon Musk. Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman breaks down the company’s latest pivot into hardware, and whether this is what consumers actually want or if it's merely a convenient distraction. On the other coast, the Make America Healthy Again movement goes to the Supreme Court to fight Bayer, maker of herbicide Roundup. Businessweek columnist Deena Shanker was at their latest protest, and is here to explain what the case means for the food industry and a movement that’s at odds with the administration it helped elect. Plus: Prediction market bots, insider trading and a showdown between the state of New York and federal regulators.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Summer plans often come with a price tag, and right now, that price tag is getting bigger. This week on Everybody’s Business, Max and Stacey dig into the economics of all kinds of tickets.First, the Strait of Hormuz has been opening and closing since the US attack on Iran in February, and the ripple effects are  hitting the aviation industry especially hard. Economist Michelle Brouhard, head of policy and geopolitical risk at global trade intelligence firm Kpler, breaks down what a constrained oil supply means for jet fuel and flight prices. Then, a federal jury has ruled that Live Nation Entertainment monopolized the concert ticketing market. Bloomberg reporter Ashley Carman joins us to explain what the verdict means for Ticketmaster’s grip on the industry, and if fans will actually see relief at checkout. Plus, a tariff offer that you can’t refuse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A Molotov cocktail hurled at Sam Altman’s home. Bullets fired at a city councilman who approved the building of a data center. The cultural mood around artificial intelligence has shifted, and this week on Everybody’s Business, we’re trying to make sense of it. Bloomberg tech reporter Sarah Frier joins Max and Stacey to break down what’s driving the new wave of AI backlash, from consumer frustration to outright rage. Then, the job market is rough for everyone, but especially if you're just starting out. Businessweek senior editor Julia Rubin joins the show to talk about what Gen Z is actually up against. Plus, a sneaker company shifts to AI, and a controversial economic term.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In just over a decade, Tether has grown from an idea into a global crypto juggernaut, poised to become one of the world’s most highly valued private companies. But where did its dollar-linked stablecoin come from and where is it headed?Everybody's Business Host Stacey Vanek Smith guest hosted our daily show, The Big Take podcast, and with Bloomberg's Todd Gillespie unpacked one of the most powerful companies you’ve (maybe) never heard of. We're bringing you the episode here as a bonus.Read more: With Billions to Spend, Tether Finds New Allies in WashingtonAs Lutnick Sold Cantor to His Children, Tether Gave Them a LoanIf you're interested in reading more but aren't yet a Bloomberg subscriber, we have a subscription offer for listeners at Bloomberg.com/podcastoffer. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Six weeks of conflict, a ceasefire on the horizon and a global economy that is forever changed. Stacey and Max make sense of it all and explain what the war in Iran means for oil prices, global trade and America’s place in the world order. Then, with Tax Day approaching, Bloomberg’s Ben Steverman breaks down what’s different this filing season, and tell us if the complications will benefit your bottom line. Plus, tokenmaxxing and a salty economic indicator.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It’s been one year since Liberation Day and the start of the chaos it’s wrought on the American economy. Max and Stacey take stock of what a year of sweeping trade policy means for your wallets with Bloomberg trade reporter Laura Curtis. And speaking of wallets, while Elon Musk is on his way to becoming the world’s first trillionaire, his companies may find their way into your 401(k). Bloomberg tech reporter Dana Hull joins us to explain why investors are betting big on one of Silicon Valley’s most controversial figures. Plus, an Italian candy heist, and skiing is cancelled.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

America’s favorite pastime is back, and so is...2008? This week, Max and Stacey cover the bases on the simultaneous cultural renaissance of baseball and the rise of the trillion-dollar private credit industry. Plus, the debut of a brand new segment! Hint: It's about an industry uniting both sides of the political aisle.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Spring break is here, and so is the chaos. With TSA agents going unpaid amid the partial government shutdown, staffing is short at airports across the country. This week, Stacey and Max trace the invisible threads connecting 2-hour security lines to systems crumbling beneath our feet. Bloomberg reporter Deena Shanker joins to dig into the Epstein files, and explain who faces consequences when things comes crashing down. Then Martha Gimbel of Yale's Budget Lab asks a question on the minds of many Americans: Is retirement actually realistic anymore?Plus, Stacey makes the case for a love letter to the free market, and Max mourns the legless Metaverse.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we explore why very expensive oil might be sticking around despite President Trump’s on-again-off-again declarations of victory in Iran. We break down the "20-cent rule" for gas prices, the Strait of Hormuz chokepoint and the political fallout for the midterms. Plus: Bloomberg’s Ben Steverman on the Wild West that is white collar salaries.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As conflict escalates between the US and Israel and Iran, Bloomberg’s Javier Blas reveals a vulnerability hiding in plain sight: the water systems that millions across the Middle East depend on. Plus: AI in wartime, and a gripping new podcast series on Chinese counterintelligence.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It's a rapturous time to be in prediction markets, but is the promise of Kalshi and Polymarket to "financialize everything" a net good for society, or is it gambling in sheep's clothing? We actually have centuries of history that points towards a potential answer. From this year's On Air Fest in New York City, Everybody's Business and Pushkin Industries' Business History come together to explain the lengths people will go for a life-changing payday. (Or, at the very least, a tote bag at a podcast festival.)Place your bets.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the hours after publishing our Friday episode, President Trump’s global tariffs have been struck down by the Supreme Court. The newsroom has been buzzing over here at Bloomberg, so Stacey called up Jonathan Lieberman, President of New York Customs Brokers to understand what this news means for our pocketbooks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

While salaries are an anchor in many Americans' lives, billionaires instead rely on investment income and tax avoidance to line their pockets. Professor and author Ray Madoff takes us behind the curtain of the mega-rich and their asset-saving tricks, just as states like California and cities like New York debate how to address their crushing budget shortfalls. Plus, what Generation Alpha thinks about your skinny jeans, and Steven Colbert takes on the FCC.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

According to the latest jobs numbers, the economy is on fire, but who is benefitting and who is still struggling? Economist and author Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman joins Max and Stacey to talk about the hidden costs of Black womanhood. And then, business journalist Lauren Sherman follows the thread on why designers and consumers are feeling worn out during New York Fashion Week. Plus, a moonshot ambition and a medieval trend returns.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Elon Musk has long had his eye on Mars, but any real plan appears to be lost in the cosmos. His more immediate ambitions are decidedly more grounded, with the corporate marriage of SpaceX and xAI. Max and Stacey explore what this future conglomerate will mean for the economy with Bloomberg News reporter Dana Hull.  Back on Earth, the biggest sports games in America is pairing up with one of the biggest pop stars of the planet. Bloomberg's Randall Williams joins us from Santa Clara to talk Super Bowl money, Bad Bunny's politics and why the annual event is incredible business for the NFL. Plus, Valentine's Day on a budget, and a cringe-worthy venture targeting Gen Z.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In the midst of sub-freezing temperatures in Minneapolis, conflict is heating up between residents and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Meanwhile, a similar battle is brewing between Senate Democrats and Republicans as a pending funding package determines the future of ICE's funding. Reporter Fola Akinnibi joins Max and Stacey to figure out just how much ICE costs to function.Plus, reporter Sarah Frier tells us about a startup that believes it can reverse the declining US population, and two stories about some very precious commodities.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

President Trump caused some serious whiplash this week. First he called for the US to buy Greenland, and said he would impose tariffs on the European countries standing in his way. But days later, at the World Economic Forum in Davos, he seemed to reverse course. Harvard economist Kenneth Rogoff and Stacey join Max from the Swiss Alps to make sense of a potential acquisition of the arctic territory. Plus, hold onto your parkas, because Derek Guy (aka "the menswear guy") discusses how America can remanufacture its cool by bringing craftsmanship back stateside. And: Lululemon takes customer transparency to a new level.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell had a message for the nation, and President Donald Trump: intimidation has no place at the Central Bank. Stacey sits down with former Fed Chair and Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen to talk about why this is such a dangerous moment in history and why Powell's two-minute video was so important. Then Bloomberg reporter Ashley Carman joins Max and Stacey in the studio to discuss what Spotify's new CEOs mean for how you'll stream music and more in the future. Plus, Stacey wonders "are you dead yet?" and Max discovers a spicy way to swipe your way to a new job.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Back in the 1970s, Venezuelans became famous for their glamorous one-day shopping trips to Miami. "Ta barato, dame dos," the saying went. "That's cheap. I'll take two." Nowadays, the bolivar has lost practically all its value. Max and Stacey are joined by David Papadopoulos to understand what exactly went wrong with the Venezuelan economy. How did the country go from being stable and wealthy to experiencing runaway inflation and rampant poverty? Papadopoulos traces it back to fluctuating oil prices, too much spending and the difficulty of adjusting to a new way of life.  Also, Deena Shanker sits down in the studio to discuss her new story on weight loss drugs and their impact on the food industry. To get with the times, some restaurant are offering up small, high-protein meals. But are they any good? The trio digs in to find out.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Businessweek editor Brad Stone joins Max and Stacey to talk about what we could expect from the new year. Leaving such a banner year for odd stories in the rearview mirror, 2026 is bound to include a lot of surprises. Will the imperial presidency continue or fizzle out? Will the AI bubble keep growing or pop? What economic indicators are worth watching? Is there a hot new office trend on the horizon? The agenda is packed. In addition, Stacey attempts to predict the future using mad libs, and Max presents an updated feud ranking for the new year.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How does one recap 2025? A herculean task by all accounts. In this episode, Max and Stacey collects the best and brightest in business podcasting to see if they can help make sense of yet another norm breaking year. Joining in the studio are Odd Lots' Tracy Alloway, Slate Money's Felix Salmon and Planet Money's Robert Smith. Together, the quintet covers a year full of feuds, CEO tweets, flubs, big personalities and, of course, numbers. They also play a high stakes game called Who is Donal Trump Talking About?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week, we talk about two of the biggest economic stories of 2025: Buy Now Pay Later and $Trump. First, Amanda Mull stops by to discuss BNPL: why its on the rise, how people use it, potential pitfalls and how it's different than just paying with a credit card. Then, Zeke Faux goes through the implausible story of $Trump - the Donald Trump meme coin launched just a few days before the 2025 inauguration. Faux tells Max and Stacey how the Trump team made an estimated $350 million on the coin, while many investors lost money. Also: tepid jobs numbers and new opportunities in sports for the older parts of the population.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we take a look at Trump's latest AI gambit: letting Nvidia sell their AI chips to China. Will this move help feed AI's growth or is it just another step towards making the bubble all the more explosive when it pops? The Verge's Nilay Patel joins Max and Stacey to get to the bottom of this. Also on this show, Lucas Shaw goes through the ins-and-outs of the complicated fight over Warner Bros. Will Netflix succeed in their bid for the storied media giant, or will it be Paramount with its attempt at a hostile takeover?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

We here at Everybody’s Business are big fans of our colleagues and friends over at Big Take, Bloomberg’s daily news podcast. So when they released an episode with our very own Max Chafkin, we can’t resist to share it. Please enjoy, and hop on over to subscribe to their feed if you like what you hear!——Excel. If you work in corporate America, that word either inspires laser-focused productivity or pure dread. Over the last 40 years, the spreadsheet software has become synonymous with the best — and worst — of late-stage capitalism. It’s seeped into popular culture and, along the way, made Microsoft one of the world’s most valuable companies.But in a world of AI and new competition where Excel=Sum(39+1), can it stay on top? On today’s Big Take podcast, Bloomberg’s Dina Bass and Businessweek’s Max Chafkin join host Sarah Holder to track the rise and challenges ahead for one of the most ubiquitous programs around.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Live from the stage at our Dec. 4 event at Bloomberg’s headquarters in New York, Ellen Huet joins Max and Stacey to talk about her recent story on chatbot delusion. As people’s lives get increasingly entangled with AI, cases of intense human-bot connections breaking up families, businesses, and even pushing people to question their own sanity is raising with an alarming rate. They also discuss Huet's recent book Empire of Orgasm: Sex, Power, and the Downfall of a Wellness Cult. Also, back in the studio, Max and Stacey take a look at puzzlingly positive Black Friday sales.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

To celebrate Black Friday, this week’s Everybody’s Business is all about two staples of this unofficial US holiday: commerce and football. First, New York Times’ Ken Belson sits down with Max and Stacey to discuss his new book Every Day Is Sunday: How Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft, and Roger Goodell Turned the NFL into a Cultural & Economic Juggernaut. Belson explains how the National Football League has managed to grow into the most valuable sports league in the world and why the game is so perfectly suited for television. Also paying a visit to the studio is Wirecutter’s Annemarie Conte. She breaks down how the popular site manages to dig out and organize such a barrage of deals, and previews what jaded consumers can expect this Black Friday, amid tariffs and trade wars.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Reporter Max Abelson gives Stacey and Max a primer on the business dealings of disgraced financier and convicted sex offender Jeffery Epstein. Abelson has sifted through thousands of emails to and from Epstein and explains to Max and Stacey what Epstein's business dealings, both legal and unlawful, really was. He also describes why - 20 years into a career of reporting on money and power - he is taken aback of the cruelty involved. Plus, as America gears up for Thanksgiving, there’s a lot of anxiety about rising food prices. But are the worries warranted? A recent report shows that the average Thanksgiving meal might actually be cheaper in 2025 than previous years. What gives? Deena Shanker joins Max and Stacey to set the record straight. For more information about the first Everybody's Business live event - happening December 4 in New York City -  click here!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

As the government reopens, the Trump administration introduces a new solution to the American housing crisis—the 50 year mortgage. The idea is getting hammered from the right and the left alike but gets support from at least one person: economist and Bloomberg Opinion contributor Allison Schrager. Can this new concept take some pressure off of struggling first-time homebuyers or will it be yet another white whale in an increasingly impossible financial game? Max and Stacey pick Allison’s brain to find out. Also, Amanda Mull joins in the studio to talk about her new Businessweek cover story on Ulta, which she dubs the " Home Depot of the beauty industry.” While other retailers are struggling, Ulta is thriving as the largest beauty store in America. Does all this success ultimately come down to the so-called “lipstick effect?” Amanda explains.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matt Yglesias, author of the Slow Boring newsletter, sits down with Max and Stacey to discuss the recent string of Democratic victories in US elections. The most remarkable happened in New York City, where Democratic socialist Mayor-Elect Zohran Mamdani will soon be in charge of one of the global capitals of capitalism. Will Mamdani be able to go through with his ambitious agenda or will he soon realize - like many before him - that being a mayor is more about garbage collection than transforming the transit system and launching city-run grocery stores?The duo also talk to The Atlantic’s Ellen Cushing about her recent story on food delivery apps and how they are impacting US food culture and social life.Also, for this week’s underrated story, Max presents a surprising attempt for a government bailout.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Max and Stacey are joined by Leo Feler, an economist with a unique perspective on the Trump administration’s immigration and deportation policies. During a  recent renovation project, Feler’s property was raided by federal agents looking to detain workers they believed were in the country illegally. Feler recounts the dramatic incident and explains how raids like these could have a chilling effect on the US economy. Also on the show, Sean Fennessey, chief content officer of The Ringer, and co-host of The Big Picture podcast joins to debate just how bad of a year this has been for Hollywood.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Kyla Scanlon visits the studio armed with her three most pressing indicators of the state of the economy. What do we make of all those auto loan defaults? Is Jamie Dimon’s new $3 billion “fortress” a harbinger of fundamental changes in the labor market? And why does an economically anxious population keep on spending? Lots to discuss. Max and Stacey also sit down with David Papadopoulos to talk about the forthcoming, high stakes election in Argentina and try to make sense of the Trump administration’s attempt to help the country out: a currency swap. Is it a bailout or does the US really need $20 billion worth of pesos?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Make sense of the world with one essential conversation, every week. Mishal Husain, one of Britain's best interviewers, brings her signature blend of curiosity and tenacity to weekly conversations with world leaders, business titans, and cultural icons, revealing who they really are and how they see the world changing around them.Follow the podcast wherever you listen, so you don't miss an episode.https://link.podtrac.com/iu94w2n4See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we hear from Domer - a longtime prediction markets junky who has placed more than $400 million worth of bets using Polymarket. At any point he might have 1,000 or more bets on prediction market sites, ranging from wagers of a few thousand dollars to as much as $1 million, roughly the sum he put on Taylor Swift’s new album sales. Plus, Bloomberg Businessweek columnist Amanda Mull explains the premium credit card wars, and we discuss OpenAI's forthcoming foray into pornography.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Polymarket is a strange place. You can bet on the price of Ethereum, whether Russia and Ukraine will agree to a ceasefire this year or who the next French prime minister will be. As silly as this might sound, Polymarket is worth $8 billion, according to an investment by the owner of the New York Stock Exchange. This deal comes on the heels of the new partnership between the Chicago Mercantile Exchange and sports betting site FanDuel. Now, in addition to betting on wheat futures, you can bet your life savings on the Lions making it to the Super Bowl. (Side note: Please do not put your life savings on the Lions going to the Super Bowl).  For decades, Wall Street has fought the accusation that investing was “just gambling.” Banks, financial institutions, regulators and the US government have spent decades establishing credibility, legitimacy, oversight and institutions to distinguish Wall Street as much as possible from the nickel slots. Now it seems that Wall Street is embracing its inner casino. Does this shift mean investment banks, hedge funds and bond traders are really all about gambling now? Is there a difference between shorting Tesla and picking which Taylor Swift song will be the least streamed this week? (At least $500,000 is riding on Honey—check out our recent podcast on this very subject. This week , Bloomberg Odd Lots podcast co-host Joe Weisenthal joins Max and Stacey to talk betting markets, investing and what these new partnerships mean for the economy.  Also this week, Casey Newton, host of the Hard Fork podcast, joins to talk about the future of artificial intelligence. Worries about AI companies and technologies being over-valued have been making the rounds. If AI is indeed a bubble, the economic implications could be dire. At the same time, companies, think tanks and workers are desperately trying to game out what kind of impact AI will have on jobs and industries. Everyone, it seems, is placing their bets—and the stakes are high.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The federal government shut down on Wednesday, which in the near-term probably sounds worse than it is. Yes, 750,000 workers are expected to be furloughed and yes, certain functions including visitor centers at national monuments and the release of economic data will pause. But functions deemed “essential” are continuing: mail is still being delivered, courts are still open, airport security continues and animals at the National Zoo are being fed.  In other words, you might be forgiven for ignoring the latest dispute, which stems from a White House insistence that Democrats vote for a new spending bill and Democratic leaders insist the Republicans restore some of the massive cuts to health care they pushed through earlier this year before millions lose coverage. But this shutdown may play out differently, as Justin Wolfers, the University of Michigan economist and author, explains on this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business. The White House, led by budget director and Project 2025 author Russell Vought, has indicated it wants to go beyond merely furloughing staff–and instead use the threat of a crisis to make the kinds of drastic job cuts Donald Trump attempted in the early months of his second term. Like many of those cuts, these too are arguably illegal and already being challenged in court. The first round, under the auspices of Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency, was both wildly unpopular and disruptive, leading to a backlash that ultimately may have cost Republicans a special election in Wisconsin and forced Musk to leave the White House. The government shutdown gives Trump—through Vought this time—a second bite at the apple. Later on the episode, Bloomberg reporter Zeke Faux joins to talk about his latest story on Justin Sun, the crypto entrepreneur whose colorful life has included a diplomatic post in Grenada, spaceflights with Blue Origin, a prime minister post in a libertarian micronation and the purchase of one of the most talked-about works of art in recent memory. Most recently though, the headlines have centered around his dealings with Trump and how in just a few short months Sun managed to go from being sued by the Securities and Exchange Commission to seeing the case dropped and having dinner alongside the Republican president. Finally, we discuss the Bustle story about a supposed vibecession in sex work. Apparently, “sugar daddies” are cutting back on payments to their romantic partners, who have derisively begun calling them “Splenda daddies.” Stacey explains why, vibecession or no, the entire phenomenon is depressing.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This year came with a promising start for Argentina. Inflation seemed under control, investment was coming back, double-digit poverty was (according to the government) beginning to fall and President Javier Milei—the chainsaw wielding, leather jacket-wearing, self-described libertarian—was being hailed by supporters as a tough-love leader bringing the country’s economy back from crisis. Milei also became a favorite of fellow political travelers to the north, namely Donald Trump and Elon Musk. But the year hasn’t been kind to Argentina or its populist leader. Once again, the country finds itself in crisis—crushing debt, panicked investors and the threat of political instability. But this time the US is pledging to help. The Trump administration has offered its support, both in terms of money and encouraging investment in Argentine businesses. This week, Max and Stacey talk to David Papadopoulos, executive editor of markets, about what happened and whether Milei can turn the economy around. Also this week, Lucas Shaw joins the show to talk about two of the modern kings of digital: David Ellison, son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison, who quickly became one of the most important players in Hollywood when his company Skydance snapped up Paramount last month; and MrBeast, the YouTube breakout star who has built an empire on video stunts (and more recently chocolate bars) and whose company, Best Industries, after years of astonishing growth, is experiencing growing pains. The show also explores the latest fad in workplace culture: Quiet cracking. The combination of low hiring rates, increasing workplace unhappiness and an uncertain economy is squeezing workers to the limit. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business we're joined by Rohit Chopra, former director of the now largely kneecapped Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He argues that Trump’s efforts to apply political pressure to the Fed present an opportunity to scrutinize the central bank’s decision-making. Chopra points out that the Fed’s governors, who tend to either come from academia or Wall Street, originally came from a more eclectic array of backgrounds—with perhaps more sensitivity to the needs of small business owners and consumers. “I really think a good central bank is really good for democracy,” Chopra says. “But I think it has to also change with the times so that it is responsive and that it is not seen as a group of priests and priestesses who make determinations about our lives without really understanding how the economy is working on the ground.” Also this week, we bring in Bloomberg News reporter Randall Williams to unpack the story that is currently roiling the world of professional basketball: allegations that Los Angeles Clippers-owner Steve Ballmer improperly funneled payments to one of the team’s stars via a dubious (and now bankrupt) fintech company, Aspiration. Ballmer has denied the allegations, which first surfaced in an episode of the podcast Pablo Torre Finds Out. Aspiration’s co-founder has denied being party to any scheme to evade the salary cap. Williams explains why the story has garnered so much interest among NBA owners and how it illustrates the importance of salary caps in order to maintain competitive balance.  Finally, we unpack a strange case of fake branding, involving the logo of Elon Musk’s aerospace company.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Not that long ago the US economy was wrestling with an interesting problem: jobs data looked very strong with historically low unemployment and historically low firings, but people didn’t feel good about the economy. The dissonance became known as the “vibecession” and was the topic of many economic and policy debates. The question was: Why do people feel bad about the economy when the economy is actually doing great? With help of revised data, we now know that the vibes were right. This week, the US Bureau of Labor Statistics—part of the Trump administration’s Department of Labor—released its latest data, which included a massive revision. The US economy created roughly 900,000 fewer jobs between March 2024 and March 2025 than previously thought, the BLS says. That means only about half the jobs we thought had been created actually materialized, according to the agency. How did this happen and what does this mean? This week, economist Kathryn Anne Edwards, host of the Optimist Economy podcast, joins us to talk about how a giant revision like this can happen, as well as how it reflects on the market and the economy. Also this week, Max Chafkin talks about his book The Contrarian, which looks at the world of Silicon Valley billionaire Peter Thiel. We discuss his influence and what it reveals about the intersection of technology, money and ideology. Also why he is suddenly so interested in the “antichrist.”See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week we are joined by journalist and cultural commentator Sam Sanders, of the Sam Sanders Show, to unpack the lessons Hollywood is learning from its latest unexpected success: mega-viral sensation Kpop Demon Hunter. We discuss how Sony lost out on much of the movie's profits when it signed over the rights to Netflix–though arguably helped preserve its business during the Covid downturn by doing so–and how the success of KPop Demon Hunters at least partly vindicates Netflix CEO Ted Sarandos’ controversial claim that the experience of going to a movie theater is “outdated.” Sanders mostly agrees, suggesting that the theatrical experience will essentially go the way of opera–once a wildly popular medium that eventually settled into a narrow and extremely rarified niche. The songs are good too. We’re also joined by Odd Lots co-host Joe Weisenthal to fact check President Trump’s claim that the “stock market needs tariffs and ask college students about their AI habits as they head back to school. And, finally, we explain why, love them or hate them, tariffs are making your Pumpkin Spice Latte (not to mention any pumpkin spice cat litter you happen to buy this fall) more expensive.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This week on Everybody’s Business from Bloomberg Businessweek, Editor Brad Stone and Stacey Vanek Smith talk Fed independence, Cracker Barrel, as well as the upcoming wedding that’s already moving markets. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What does it say about the prospects for an artificial intelligence “golden age” that some of those who most enthusiastically predicted it are now tamping down expectations? Earlier this week, in what looked like damage control over the release of a new version of ChatGPT, OpenAI Chief Executive Officer Sam Altman said investors have been inflating a speculative bubble in AI. He predicted “someone’s going to get burned.” Altman and other AI insiders seem more or less fine with that, arguing that asset bubbles often coincide with technology breakthroughs. The thinking goes like this: the dot-com bust was bad, but at the end of it we had a new information infrastructure that led to lasting economic growth. Maybe that happens this time around, but there’s reason to think an AI bust would be economically devastating—and not just for businesses that bet heavily on the software and data centers needed to run it.  On this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business, we explore the potential economic fallout of an AI implosion with Ed Zitron, a skeptic who makes a compelling case for panic in a recent essay and on his podcast, Better Offline. In other words, rather than continuing to embrace the new technology, maybe it’s time to hate it. The argument boils down to a problem of misalignment: For years, big tech companies have dumped hundreds of billions of dollars into developing ever-more advanced large language models (LLM) (like OpenAI’s GPT, Google’s Gemini and Anthropic’s Claude). Much of that money has gone to chipmakers, especially Nvidia, which sells the graphical processing units needed to train new models. All of this spending has sent asset prices soaring, creating a dynamic in which index funds are heavily weighted to a single industry—which you guessed it—threatens to crash the entire stock market if it falters. A similar dynamic may be playing out in the world of private credit, which tech companies are increasingly tapping to build data centers, creating another economic risk.At the same time, there are signs those wildly expensive LLMs are failing to generate commensurate financial returns. These include the blowback to the release GPT-5, which OpenAI had promoted as potentially god-like but which many users say is actually worse than the last version. There’s also a recently published study from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that showed the vast majority of pilot programs involving so-called generative AI failed to lead to revenue growth. Also on this week’s episode: We discuss the struggles of fast food companies with Bloomberg Businessweek’s Deena Shanker. Normally, they thrive in times of economic uncertainty, but McDonald’s has been struggling, partly she says because the company’s food is no longer seen as cheap. One exception to this trend? Taco Bell, which has thrived because it’s managed to keep prices low while being just unique enough to go viral on TikTok.  Finally, for our underrated story, we preview Fed Chair Jerome Powell’s big speech in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, on Friday. Get ready for some extremely low-key fireworks.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Donald Trump has been back at the White House for little more than 6 months, but his mark on the US economy has been profound. If Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” was a symbol of the unfettered free market, the Republican president’s approach should perhaps be described as very hands on. This week on Everybody’s Business from Bloomberg Businessweek, Max Chafkin and Stacey Vanek Smith explore some of the industries being, well, handled by Trump. Trump’s latest right-hand man, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, sat down with the magazine to talk about his views on everything from government data to interest rates and how he, just like his 79-year-old boss, desires greater government involvement in the US economy. Bloomberg Businessweek Editor Brad Stone joins us to break down the story. The most impactful economic policy Trump has put in place so far is his “most beautiful word.” Most of Trump’s tariffs are still in flux and subject to ongoing litigation, but legal or not, the effect of 34% tariffs on goods from China and other major trading partners has started showing up in US pricing data, including wholesale prices this week from the embattled Bureau of Labor Statistics, which rose the most they have in years. But all imports and exports are not created equal. Trump’s recent talks with US chipmakers Nvidia and Intel portend increased government involvement in the industry, including the introduction of export taxes on chips sold to China, which Bessent said could be a potential model for other industries as well. Also on this episode: A look at this week’s BLS inflation report. According to the government data, tariffs seem to be showing up on store shelves, especially in the coffee aisle, where prices are up more than 14% over last year. New York coffee lovers weigh in.    Bloomberg Businessweek’s Stone joins to talk Bessent, government data and government involvement in the chip industry.   Is sports betting ruining sports? Bloomberg News reporter Randall Williams joins to talk about the booming business of prop bets and why critics say it’s ruining games.   And finally the underrated story of the week: Artificial Intelligence gets personal. Many medical procedures and cancer screenings are now being assisted by AI. As is turns out, smarter technology could be making doctors dumber. About the show: every week, hosts Stacey Vanek Smith and Max Chafkin take a look at the week’s business news and break down what you need to know with the help of Bloomberg journalists, experts and the people and businesses trying to navigate the economy every day.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Donald Trump’s decision to fire the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Erika McEntarfer, apparently in retribution for a report that showed slower job growth, was without precedent in recent US history. This week on Everybody’s Business we explore why presidents—at least since Richard Nixon—have left the BLS alone, and we hear from former BLS commissioner Erica Groshen on how exactly that data is collected. According to Groshen, the recent downward revisions in the rate of job growth (which Trump alleged without any evidence was a political hatchet job) were business as usual. She explains that such revisions happen because it takes months for the more than 100,000 businesses the government surveys every month to respond. Some fill in their data electronically; some send it by email or even fax. While the BLS waits, it puts out an estimate; those estimates are often revised later on. For the past few decades, this approach has been widely seen as a huge success. BLS data, which includes employment and inflation statistics, is relied on by researchers, economists and government policy planners—as well as by businesses. They use the data to help write budgets, plan hiring and set prices. Although Groshen optimistically contends that McEntarfer’s firing won’t immediately dent that perception, it comes amid budget cuts that have already limited the ability of BLS researchers to collect granular data and could lead to questions about reliability. Also this week, we discuss the controversy around artificial intelligence pricing, which has recently centered around the airline industry, widely seen as the undisputed leader in customer frustration. But the strategy is in fact coming for you on pretty much every type of good and service. We also debate the significance of the American Eagle “good jeans” controversy and ask how much consumers really think about culture wars when they buy dungarees. Finally: A counterintuitive approach to warding off one of America’s most feared predators.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

It was a packed week for the US economy: jobs numbers, an interest rate announcement from Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell, consumer confidence data and a tariff deadline. Topping the list was gross domestic product, the sum total of goods and services the economy produces—generally considered the measure of growth. After months of tariffs (and Donald Trump’s constantly shifting positions on them), many economists were predicting the US economy would be showing signs of strain. It turns out, that wasn’t necessarily the case when it comes to GDP (though jobs numbers unveiled Friday may give some pause). After falling a bit during the first few months of the year, this quarter, economic growth clocked in at a 3% annualized rate. But there’s more to this number than meets the eye—or perhaps less. This week on Everybody’s Business, we talk GDP with Ken Rogoff, Harvard economist and author of Our Dollar, Your Problem. His take: the numbers may have been distorted by some of the panicked importing that US businesses were doing earlier in the year in anticipation of Trump’s latest (and now extended again) deadlines. However, he also leans into some chess metaphors (he is, after all, a grandmaster) to address those Trump fans who contend the president is playing four dimensional chess. His verdict? Trump is a “coffee house player.” That’s someone who’s better than you think—but not as good as he himself thinks. Later in the show, we talk with Evan Ratliff about his feature in Bloomberg Businessweek, detailing how workers in North Korea are taking US tech jobs while posing as remote-working Americans. They’ve allegedly managed to infiltrate some of the biggest and wealthiest companies in the country—and their paychecks go to fund North Korea’s nuclear program.  Finally,  the underrated story of the week is a canned spirit drink was mislabeled as an energy drink. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

After 10 years, CBS announced it was cancelling Stephen Colbert’s Late Show. This coincidentally came on the heels of his humorous excoriation of parent company Paramount’s $16 million deal with President Donald Trump over what the Republican claimed was bias in the editing of an interview with then-Vice President Kamala Harris. CBS journalists denied the allegation and legal experts said Trump’s claim was dead on arrival in court. Colbert meanwhile referred to the payment as a “big fat bribe,” going on to imply that Paramount—led by Chair Shari Redstone—was paying off Trump in the hope he would green-light an $8 billion merger with SkyDance. (On Thursday evening, also the same day this episode was recorded, the FCC approved the deal). Given that Colbert had the best-rated show in its time slot, the move to cancel him was widely seen as a quid pro quo, driving yet another nail into the coffin of free expression. Add to that a GOP-controlled Congress taking back previously approved funding for public media (at Trump’s direction), and some see the end of a free press in America.  Or, less pessimistically, could it just be the end of outdated business models? This week on Everybody’s Business from Bloomberg Businessweek, Felix Gillette joins Max Chafkin and me to break down the Colbert firing. Gillette contends that, despite its ratings, Colbert’s show has been losing money since the pandemic and that it may have been cancelled in the near future anyway. He also points to the most recent episode of South Park, which tackles the issue of Colbert’s cancellation while taking aim at Trump. The creators of South Park just signed a $1.5 billion deal with Paramount (which owns Comedy Central). So maybe free expression is still alive and well, only it’s not so free anymore?  Then we take a look at the federal government. Max and Stacey talk with a former employee of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau about his experience getting fired by the “Department of Government Efficiency,” what he’s seen happen to the department since and some of the CFPB’s work that isn’t being done (and, in some cases, being undone). Also on this episode: Max and Stacey discuss the return of meme stocks: Kohls, GoPro, and Krispy Kreme are feeling the boost. Stacey gets reactions from Krispy Kreme customers.   The underrated story of the week: Starbucks’ big plan for turning business around? Serving more coffee. Max takes issue.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On the morning of July 16, a White House official told Bloomberg News that President Donald Trump was preparing to fire Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell. Such a firing would potentially be illegal (as the Supreme Court recently noted) and undermine decades of goodwill that Fed policymakers have built up with investors. Trump quickly took the threat back, while making it clear he might still try to dismiss Powell, ostensibly based on alleged overspending on a renovation of the central bank’s headquarters. On this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business, hosts Stacey Vanek Smith and Max Chafkin are joined by Martha Gimbel, director of the Budget Lab at Yale, to explore what’s at stake.  Though Gimbel says there’s a case to be made that the Fed has been too slow to lower interest rates, she explains that the idea of either firing or bullying Powell into an extreme rate cut would backfire by destabilizing the economy. She says banks would probably raise mortgage rates in the short run rather than lower them if Powell were ousted, due to the uncertainty caused by such an unprecedented move. The other problem is that interest rates aren’t set by Powell, but by a committee—and the committee might react to Powell’s firing by resisting Trump’s directives. Also on the episode, Bloomberg Businessweek columnist Amanda Mull discusses why travel still hasn’t rebounded from the Covid-19 pandemic. Part of what’s happening has to do with politics: Canadian tourists in particular seem to be staying home in protest of Trump’s provocations. Plus, the pandemic may have permanently changed travel habits, discouraging vacationers from flying and pushing some business travelers to opt for Zoom when they might have previously hopped on a plane.  An underappreciated factor however is that airline travel has simply gotten less comfortable. This also comes back to the pandemic, which pushed carriers to adopt pricing schemes that allowed leisure travelers to pay for perks while adding new charges for services once provided for free. That’s made the experience for those of us at the back of the plane all the more miserable. On the bright side, the New Yorkers we spoke to—which included New York Mayor Eric Adams, who is having a very bad week—are nevertheless feeling optimistic. Finally, we explore the growth of  “metaphysical services” by Etsy witches who cast spells for strangers at a reasonable price. Results certainly aren’t guaranteed—and centuries of folklore would suggest that messing with spells is a dangerous game—but that isn’t slowing down this market.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

On Tuesday, seemingly off the cuff, US President Donald Trump suddenly threatened a 50% tariff on copper. The reaction from markets was predictably strong, leaving metal distributors scrambling to get deliveries across the border. In this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business, Bloomberg economics reporter Joe Deaux joins hosts Max Chafkin and Stacey Vanek Smith to discuss Trump’s latest musings, how complicated a rewiring of the copper supply chain might be and the stark challenges of bringing manufacturing back to the US. (As in, it takes about 10-20 years to get a mine up and running at commercial scale.)  Also on this episode, wealth reporter Ben Steverman enters the studio to discuss consumer sentiment as an economic indicator. For many academics (and consumers), the economy is largely made up of numbers to be calculated. But how do you measure how someone feels? Steverman discusses his recent profile of Joanne Hsu, the director of the University of Michigan’s Surveys of Consumers, an institution that’s been measuring vibes for decades. Over the years, the survey has found that people’s perception of the economy can be a powerful indicator of where things are heading. And as you likely know, recent surveys show that Americans are very pessimistic about their finances. Prices are still considered too high and Trump’s trade war is on everyone’s mind. Lastly, Smith presents to Chafkin an underrated story of the week: scientists believe they have cracked the mystery of the big honey bee die-off. The likely culprits? Pesticide-resistant mites. This is welcome news to Chafkin, who shares his own story of a recent run-in with a beehive. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Happy 4th of July! The U.S. turns 249 this year and there are plenty of economic fireworks to ring in the birthday. After a long and winding road through Capitol Hill, the “Big Beautiful Bill” is poised to be signed by President Trump. The bill is largely an extension of Trump’s 2017 tax cuts, and it will have big — and not entirely beautiful — implications for U.S. businesses.  In this week’s episode of Everybody’s Business from Bloomberg Businessweek, hosts Stacey Vanek Smith and Businessweek Editor Brad Stone (filling in for Max Chafkin) break down the bill, which will add an estimated $3.4 trillion to US deficits over the next decade. It’s a mixed bag for businesses: It will save them billions in taxes, but it is also likely to make borrowing money and expanding a lot tougher. Cuts to entitlements included in the bill could also mean US companies have to step in and provide more services for their workers.  After 249 years, the economy is due for a check-up. Dr. Allison Schrager, an economist with the Manhattan Institute and Bloomberg Opinion columnist, joins the podcast to discuss the new and very positive unemployment numbers. In June, the US added 147,000 jobs and the unemployment rate fell to 4.1% — a very clean bill of health. Schrager says the US economy is in its middle-aged man era: generally healthy and strong, but perhaps in need of some lifestyle tweaks (get that ballooning deficit under control).  Finally, it’s time for the underrated story of the week: Media is looking a little less independent this Independence Day. Paramount has settled a lawsuit with President Trump, who accused CBS (which is owned by Paramount) of bias and deceptively editing the 2024 presidential debate. In spite of the fact the suit was almost universally deemed frivolous, Paramount paid out $16 million to make it go away. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

With Stacey Vanek Smith off at the World Economic Forum in China, Max Chafkin is joined by Brad Stone, the editor of Bloomberg Businessweek, and Bloomberg reporter Laura Nahmias. Together, they discuss how significant democratic socialist Zoran Mamdani’s surprising New York City’s Democratic mayoral primary victory could be for Wall Street and the city of New York.  A parallel to Mamdani’s triumph in an increasingly unaffordable city is taking place this week in Venice, where multibillionaire Amazon co-founder Jeff Bezos and former broadcast journalist Lauren Sánchez are to be married. With fierce opposition raging in the Italian city, already made crushingly expensive by over-tourism, does this mean disdain for billionaires is at a boiling point? Chafkin and Stone talk it over. Also, the crew sent out a producer to the streets of New York to ask people the question on everyone’s mind: what wedding gift can you possibly get for the man behind the everything store?  Chafkin and Stone then turn their gaze to the movie industry. Technology has been haunting Hollywood for a while now. The internet, file sharing, streaming—the big studios have been playing defense against Silicon Valley since the turn of the century. But now they’re facing a potentially bigger threat: artificial intelligence. Entertainment reporter Lucas Shaw walks us through how the industry is fighting with, and adapting to, this seemingly unstoppable new force. And to end things, Chafkin brings what he considers the most underrated story of the week: the accidental support of a planned coup in South Sudan by a co-funder of Jane Street. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.