Here Not There: Finding Our Way Back to Presence, Connection, & Delight

Colleen shares a short, vulnerable reflection after technical problems derailed a planned episode, revealing how small setbacks can stir old narratives of failure. Drawing on John 21, she invites listeners to try again, trust God’s abundance, and find presence, connection, and delight despite mistakes.

Host Colleen interviews Pastor Chris Moles, domestic abuse expert and founder of Peace Works, about his new 90-day devotional and practical work helping men move from control and abuse toward Christ‑like love. They discuss the W-framework of information, transformation, and reformation, the importance of ownership and surrender, and how the Holy Spirit enables lasting change. The conversation also explores the difference between delight and entitlement, how abuse destroys intimacy, and realistic steps for men and church helpers to begin honest, compassionate intervention. The devotional is presented as an accessible resource for men in need and the pastors and counselors who support them.

Colleen hosts Jenn Suen Chen on the Hear Not There Podcast to explore how presence, connection, and delight are shaped by personal story. Jenn, a leadership and Enneagram coach, spiritual director, and author of Dim Sum and Faith, spent over two decades in Asia and now co-leads Summit Clear in Seattle. Jenn coaches young adults and ministry leaders, including premarital and marriage coaching, using story work.  They discuss how triggers, shame, anxiety, and “old scripts” can fragment us and dull our sense of God’s presence, and how pausing, naming what’s happening, undoing, and learning what God really thinks of us can restore presence and intimacy. The conversation touches on suffering, grief, the “dark night,” and rhythms of remembrance to reconnect in times of disconnection.

Colleen interviews Dr. Jonathan Pennington about friendship in ministry, exploring how scripture and ancient philosophy shape a Christian view of friendship, the challenges pastors face with boundaries and power dynamics, and the importance of play, feasting, and mutual vulnerability for flourishing relationships. They discuss practical approaches for pastors to build meaningful friendships—both inside and outside the church—and offer encouragement to avoid isolation while maintaining wise boundaries and community structures that support relational life.

When we start talking about coming home to ourselves, God, and others, we have to begin to understand what "here" and "there" mean, at least in the context of this podcast. In this short episode, we begin to unpack what that means. It will continue to unfold as episodes continue and guests are interviewed, as our understanding of here and there is transient, fluid, and changing. 

This is a little sneak peek into what's to come on the Here Not There podcast. Official launch and episodes to come in March, but click follow so you don't miss it!