Jesus and Jetlag

Episode Summary:In this final bonus episode of Jesus and Jet Lag, Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman explore the theme of Apologetics through Paul’s defense before King Agrippa in Acts 26. While Paul is technically on trial, the hosts discuss how he flips the script—using the opportunity not just to defend himself (apologia), but to empathize with his audience and preach the Resurrection. From the “stone in the shoe” approach to the power of community “plausibility structures,” this episode covers how to remove barriers so that the gospel can be heard.Key Topics Discussed:* Apologetics Defined: Understanding apologia as a “defense” using reason to attest to the truthfulness of the faith when problems or objections arise.* Paul’s “True and Reasonable” Faith: How Paul appeals to public, historical facts (”not done in a corner”) rather than private, secret revelations.* The Power of Testimony: Paul’s model for sharing faith: empathizing with the listener’s struggle (”I was just like you”) and pointing clearly to Jesus, rather than making oneself the hero.* Continuity of the Mission: How Paul’s speech links back to Isaiah 42 and Acts 1:8, showing that the church’s mission is the continuation of what Jesus began to do and teach.* Plausibility Structures: The role of the Christian community in surrounding non-Christians with Christians in loving community.* The “Stone in the Shoe”: Using apologetics not to “win” arguments, but to place a small pebble of truth in someone’s mind that bothers them enough to investigate further.Resources & People Mentioned:* Sam Chan: Australian author of “How to Talk about Jesus (Without Being That Guy): Personal Evangelism in a Skeptical World”* Ken Ham: Creation Museum.* Glen Scrivener: Australian author of “3 2 1: The Story of God, the World and You”Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Summary:In this bonus episode, Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman follow Paul from the “culture clash” of Acts 15 to the nuance of contextualization in Acts 17. Arriving in Athens—a city “living on its past glories”—Paul finds himself alone and distressed by the idols surrounding him. The hosts break down Paul’s masterclass in cross-cultural communication at the Areopagus. They discuss how to move from being perceived as a “seed picker” (babbler) to a clear communicator of the gospel, using real-world examples from ministry in Mexico, Hong Kong, and the UK.Key Topics Discussed:* Contextualization vs. Culture Clash: Moving from the negative friction of culture clash (Acts 15) to the positive, proactive work of ensuring your message is understood (Acts 17).* The “Seed Picker” (Babbler): The insult thrown at Paul by the philosophers—implying he was a scavenger of ideas without true understanding—and how modern missionaries often feel like imposters in new cultures.* Paul’s Distress (Paroxysm): How the sight of idols caused Paul a visceral, physical reaction, yet motivated him to engage rather than retreat.* The “Unknown God” Strategy: How Paul utilized a pagan altar to pivot to the true God, addressing the Athenians’ fear of missing a deity to cover their bases.* Audience Adaptation: Contrasting Paul’s “rural” sermon in Lystra (crops, rain, seasons) with his “urban” sermon in Athens (poets, philosophy, altars) without changing the core message.* The Stumbling Block: Why the Resurrection was particularly repugnant to the Greek worldview, leading to the abrupt end of the hearing.Resources & People Mentioned:* Clinton Arnold: Commentator who explains the fear behind the “Unknown God” altar.* Martin Luther: Quote on the natural knowledge of God and the uncertainty of those outside the church.* Epicureans & Stoics: The two major philosophical schools Paul encountered in the marketplace.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Summary:In this bonus episode of Jesus and Jet Lag, Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman tackle the theme of “Culture Clash” through the lens of Acts 15. They explore the pivotal Council of Jerusalem, where the early church faced a “sharp dispute” over circumcision and the inclusion of Gentiles. The hosts discuss how these ancient tensions mirror modern missionary challenges—from navigating direct vs. indirect communication styles to the unexpected surprises of cross-cultural worship (like pink communion wafers!).Key Topics Discussed:* The “Stasis” of Acts 15: Understanding the “no little dissension” that threatened to divide the early church and why this chapter is the theological heart of the book of Acts.* The Yoke of the Law: Peter’s defense of grace and the realization that the Gentile believers should not be burdened by a yoke they cannot bear.* Luke’s Narrative Style: How Luke “walks quietly” through the text, offering a model of unassuming observation for cross-cultural workers.* Modern Culture Clashes: Real-life examples of friction in the mission field, including:* Worship Styles: How tradition often gets confused with biblical mandates (e.g., using specific hymnals vs. local expressions).* Communication: The frustration of “direct” Western communicators encountering “indirect” high-context cultures.* Organizational Structure: Navigating flat vs. hierarchical leadership structures in different cultures.* Conflict Resolution: A four-step model derived from Acts 15 for handling disagreement in the church: discernment of God’s activity, interpretation of Scripture, necessary debate, and church-wide consent.Resources & People Mentioned:* Ben Witherington: The Acts of the Apostles: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary * Richard Balge: Commentary on Acts* Jean Johnson: We Are Not the Hero: A Missionary’s Guide to Sharing Christ, Not a Culture of Dependency.* Ashish Varma: Paper titled Jews and Gentiles Together in Christ: The Jerusalem Council on Racial Reconciliation.* Dr. John Brug: Commentary on the PsalmsCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Summary:In this third episode of the Jesus and Jet Lag bonus series, hosts Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman conclude their look at Paul’s first missionary journey. Picking up in the second half of Acts 14 (verses 21-28), they discuss the “return trip” where Paul and Barnabas revisit the very cities where they faced persecution to strengthen the disciples. The conversation focuses on the essential components of a planted church, the reality of hardships in ministry, and the strategic importance of letting go and entrusting new believers to the Holy Spirit.Key Topics & Takeaways:* The “Three Legs” of a Local Church: The hosts analyze Paul’s method to define what constitutes a “planted” church. It requires three components: Evangelism (outreach), Nurture (strengthening the disciples), and Leadership (appointing elders). If you only have one, you might have a program or a Bible study, but not a church 1111.* The Reality of Hardship: Paul’s warning that “we must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God” was backed by his own physical bruises from Lystra. The hosts discuss how church planting is a spiritual battle that inevitably involves hurts and wounds 2.* Strategic Regional Bases: How could Paul claim the work was “completed” after only a year or two? Matt explains the strategy of planting churches in key regional hubs (like Iconium or Corinth) to serve as bases from which the gospel could blanket the surrounding areas, rather than trying to reach every individual personally 3.* Committing Them to the Lord: A crucial step in mission work is the ability to “let go.” Paul didn’t stay to micromanage; he appointed local leaders and entrusted the church to the Lord, trusting that the Holy Spirit would continue the work 4444.* The Joy of Reporting Back: The episode concludes with Paul and Barnabas returning to Syrian Antioch to report “all that God had done.” The hosts highlight the importance of sharing mission stories to double the joy of the church and validate that it is God’s work, not ours 5.Resources and People Mentioned:* Wayne Schultz’s Essay: “Partners in Starting Churches”* Ott and Wilson: Authors of Global Church Planting, cited for the idea that apostles did not just “go out” but went to specific strategic centers.Next Episode Teaser:Join Matt and Mike for the next episode where they will dive into Acts 15 to discuss Culture Clash. They will look at the conflict that arose when Jewish and Gentile cultures collided in the early church and how the Jerusalem Council addressed it.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Summary:In this second episode of the Jesus and Jet Lag bonus series, hosts Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman continue their journey through the mission themes of Acts. Focusing on Acts 14:8-20, they explore Paul and Barnabas’s dramatic encounter in Lystra. The conversation covers the “Natural Knowledge of God,” the cultural miscommunications that can happen in mission work, and the comfort that God “works through our mess” when we share the Gospel.Key Topics & Takeaways:* Continuity of the Mission: The hosts highlight the striking parallels between Peter’s healing of the lame man in Acts 3 and Paul’s healing in Acts 14. This literary technique by Luke emphasizes that Paul is not a “rogue agent” but is continuing the same work of Christ.* Lystra Excavated: Mike shares insights from the recent archaeological excavations of Lystra, a diverse city of retired soldiers mixing Latin, Greek, and Lycaonian cultures.* The “Gods” Misunderstanding: Why did the crowd think Paul was Hermes and Barnabas was Zeus? Matt explains the local myth recorded by Ovid, where the gods destroyed the region for its lack of hospitality, leading the Lystrans to overcompensate to avoid the same fate.* Communication is Hard: The incident illustrates how easily the Gospel can be misunderstood across language and cultural barriers. However, it serves as a comforting reminder to missionaries that we don’t have to be perfect; God works even through our miscommunications.* Natural Knowledge of God: The hosts define this as what can be known about God through nature and conscience (his power, wisdom, and holiness). While it is a useful bridge for evangelism, it has limits. It cannot reveal God’s love or the specific message of Jesus’ resurrection.Historical & Biblical Figures Mentioned:* Sir William Ramsay: The archaeologist who identified the site of Lystra and confirmed Luke’s historical accuracy.* Ovid: The Roman poet who recorded the local myth that influenced the crowd’s reaction to Paul and Barnabas.* Nick Bostrom: Philosopher discussed in relation to the modern “Simulation Theory,” which parallels the ancient natural knowledge of a higher power.* Martin Luther: Quoted from the Large Catechism regarding the limits of natural knowledge—knowing that God exists, but not knowing his attitude toward us.Links* Jesus and Jetlag interview with Dr. Glen Thompson * “Treasure in Jars of Clay: The Synergy Between the Instrumental and Ministerial Causes in God’s Plan of Salvation” by Jonathan R. Hein* 321: The Story of God, the World, and You by Glen Scrivener, mentioned for his apologetic approach of bridging natural knowledge quickly to the story of Jesus.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Summary:Welcome to a special bonus series of Jesus and Jetlag! Hosts Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman kick off a six-part deep dive into the mission themes found within the book of Acts2. In this first episode, Matt and Mike explore Acts Chapter 1, discussing the “Missio Dei” (the Mission of God), the seamless continuity between the Gospel of Luke and Acts, and what it means for the modern church to be living in “Acts Chapter 29”.Key Topics & Takeaways:* The Sequel to Luke: Acts is viewed as “Volume Two” of a set, written to Theophilus. The hosts discuss the theory that Theophilus may have converted from a patron to a “brother” in the faith between the writing of the two books.* The Roadmap of Acts: Acts 1:8 serves as the outline for the entire book, moving from Jerusalem to Judea and Samaria, and finally to the ends of the earth.* Witness and Martyr: The root of the word “martyr” comes from the Greek. Being a witness is a promise from Jesus (”You will be my witnesses”), not just a command, though it often comes with hardship.* The Missio Dei: Defined as the “sending of God,” this concept traces how the Father sent the Son, the Son sent the Spirit, and the Trinity sends the church today.* Acts 29: While the book of Acts ends at chapter 28, the work of the church continues today as the “unfinished” next chapter of the story.Historical Figures Mentioned:* Sir William Ramsey: A skeptic and archaeologist who set out to disprove Luke but concluded that Luke was a historian of the first rank.* St. Bartholomew: A striking example of the cost of witnessing; tradition holds he was skinned alive for his faith.* Augustine of Canterbury: Sent by Pope Gregory the Great to England at age 60, demonstrating that mission work involves both speaking the gospel and enduring hardship with quiet confidence.Next Episode Teaser:Join Matt and Mike for Bonus Episode 2, where they will cover Acts 14:8-20 and discuss the “natural knowledge of God” in a secular world.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Show NotesThis week we are joined by Professor Stephen Geiger, who teaches New Testament and education at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon, Wisconsin. He also hosts a YouTube channel called His Word 360.Professor Geiger shares how his ministry, whether in the seminary, his church, or his family, focuses on equipping people to use God's Word to fight their own spiritual battles.The conversation delves into the genealogies of Jesus found in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, highlighting how each was crafted by the Holy Spirit to connect with a specific audience. Matthew's genealogy traces Jesus's line back to Abraham for a Jewish audience, while Luke's traces it back to Adam for a Gentile audience. This serves as a powerful model for missionaries to apply the same gospel message in culturally sensitive ways, without compromising its truth.The discussion also explores the concept of God's "long game" in salvation history. Professor Geiger uses the Abrahamic covenant as an example of God's 2,000-year plan, a period that culminated at Pentecost when the gospel began to be spread to the entire world. This perspective provides encouragement for missionaries who may not see immediate results, reminding them that their responsibility is the work, while the results belong to God.Finally, the episode highlights the story of the demon-possessed man whom Jesus commanded to "go home to your family and tell them how much the Lord has done for you". This simple testimony serves as a model for all believers, proving that simplicity is not deficiency when sharing the Gospel.Links Mentioned in the Episode:* His Word 360 YouTube Channel: The YouTube channel hosted by Professor Stephen Geiger.* Forward in Christ: The official publication of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS).Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode Show NotesIn this episode, we welcome missionary Bounkeo Lor, who serves as a missionary in the WELS and as the president of the Hmong Fellowship Church in Vietnam. A fourth-generation Christian leader, Boun shares his powerful story of how the distinction between Law and Gospel transformed his understanding of faith and led him to gospel ministry.Boun explains that he initially resisted becoming a pastor because he saw how hard his father and grandfather worked, serving 24/7. He pursued a medical degree but was moved to ministry after hearing a message on Law and Gospel. Growing up in a somewhat legalistic Christian environment, he was taught that good works and strict adherence to rules were the path to heaven. When he realized that salvation is by grace alone through the blood of Christ, it changed his heart and mindset.Boun explains that many in the Hmong community and other Asian cultures struggle with a similar legalistic mindset due to their cultural background, which emphasizes respect for elders and doing good to have a good afterlife. He stresses that while the first generation of believers may find it difficult to fully escape this cultural influence, training younger generations can help cultivate a purer faith rooted in the Gospel. He advises young missionaries to understand the culture and "put your feet into their shoes" to effectively lead them.The conversation also explores Boun's leadership style, which is rooted in honesty and care. He builds trust by following through on his promises and by treating his fellow leaders like family, staying in the same hotels and eating the same food as them. A key part of his approach is the concept of "letting leaders sit inside your heart". This involves observing and understanding the struggles of fellow pastors—like their children being sick or not having enough food—and serving them so they feel encouraged and supported.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode SummaryIn this episode, Matthew Doebler and Mike Hartman speak with Elise Gross, a "Third Culture kid" from Antigua. Elise shares her personal story and spiritual journey, including her frustration with the perceived lack of active roles for women in ministry and her discovery of strong female figures in the Bible. The conversation explores how her background shaped her view of women in the church and her eventual calling to a ministry role that allows her to use her spiritual gifts in a way that honors God's truth.Key Takeaways* Third Culture Kid: Elise discusses her experience growing up as a Third Culture Kid in Antigua and how it shaped her perspective on life and faith.* Women in Ministry: She shares her journey of grappling with the roles of women in the Bible and discovering figures like Lydia and the daughters of Philip.* Spiritual Gifts and Service: The conversation touches on the challenge of a spiritual gifts test that revealed her gifts of leadership and administration, and her struggle to find a place for them.* Academia Christo: Elise describes her work with Academia Christo and how it allows her to use her gifts effectively in a structured ministry environment.* Leadership vs. Headship: The episode concludes by distinguishing between the concepts of leadership and headship, emphasizing the importance of all believers being equipped for gospel proclamation while honoring God's design.Links Mentioned* Academia Christo: The organization Elise Gross works with, which provides resources and training for ministry and church planting. The website can be found here: https://wels.net/serving-others/missions/latin-america/* Kingdom Workers: A global Christian non-profit that mobilizes believers to meet physical and spiritual needs. The website can be found here: https://kingdomworkers.com/* Jesus and Jetlag with Ken Cherney: A previous episode mentioned in the conversation. You can find this episode and more at the podcast's main page: https://www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/s/jesus-and-jetlagCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode of Jesus and Jetlag, hosts Mike Hartman and Matthew Doebler interview each other, diving into the ambitious yet humbling call to plant a church body rather than a single congregation. They share their experiences as missionaries in Australia and the UK, reflecting on how their calls encompass entire countries, similar to early missionaries called to whole continents like South America.Key discussion points include:* Broadening the Scope of Ministry: Mike and Matt emphasize that their mission is to bring the Gospel to regions, not just individual communities. They discuss the challenges of reaching millions of people in places like Mexico City and China, highlighting the impossibility of one person doing it all.* The Importance of Multiplication (PARB): The conversation centers on building capacity for Gospel ministry expansion through multiplication. Matthew introduces the PARB framework:* P - Partners: Making witnesses and disciplers, not just converts and disciples.* A - Apprentices: Raising up new leaders through an apprenticeship model.* R - Repeats: Developing simple, repeatable methods for sharing the Gospel, citing Martin Luther's catechism as a historical example of this principle.* B - Broadens: Constantly thinking broader than immediate communities to reach more people through various means.* Balancing Depth and Breadth: Mike and Matt explore the tension between deep, thorough training and broad, rapid evangelism. They advocate for a balanced approach that ensures the Gospel message remains clear and unchanged over time while still reaching as many people as possible.* Leveraging Modern Communication: Mike shares how he uses platforms like YouTube and TikTok to connect with people and generate interest in the Bible in the UK, adapting communication methods to reach a wider audience. Matthew also discusses using English classes to connect with immigrant populations in Australia.* Encouragement for Missionaries: The episode concludes with powerful encouragements, reminding listeners that ministry will have struggles, it's God's church not ours, and it's okay to make mistakes and learn from them. They differentiate between "lead measures" (controllable actions) and "lag measures" (results that are God's work), advocating for missionaries to "work hard and rest well".Listen in as Mike and Matt offer practical insights and theological reflections on the joys and challenges of global Gospel ministry.Relevant Links:* Mike’s YouTube Channel “Discover Hidden Gems”* The new church body Mike is helping to form in the U.K. Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

What is the role of theological education on the mission field? Is there a tension between the "academic" work of a theological educator and the "practical" work of a missionary?In this episode, we are joined by Jon Bare, president of Asia Lutheran Seminary, who shares his extensive experience in global theological education. Jon helps us see that the perceived tension between scholarship and missions is often a false dichotomy. He walks us through the history of theological training, from the relational, mentoring model we see in Scripture to the more structured, academic model common today.Join us as we explore how to blend the best of both worlds. Learn how today's missionaries, as theological educators, can follow the example of Jesus—the ultimate theological educator—by focusing on a relational approach that equips national partners to not only know the Word, but to be shepherds and do the work of "fishers of men" in their own cultural contexts.Key Takeaways from Our Conversation:* The goal of theological education is not just to impart knowledge, but to form the whole person—their character, their skills, and their heart for the mission. We can think of this as the "know, be, and do" of ministry preparation.* Throughout Scripture, from Moses and Joshua to Elijah and Elisha, and most importantly with Jesus and His disciples, theological training was fundamentally relational. This involved close mentorship, modeling, and walking together in ministry.* Jesus turned the educational model of His day on its head. Instead of disciples choosing their teacher, He chose them, calling them into a deep, personal relationship with the goal of making them "fishers of men."* The term "seminary" originates from the Latin word for "seedbed" (seminarium). It was conceived as a place to perpetually grow and provide trained pastors for the church's local needs.* A missionary's role as an educator is not to simply "copy and paste" their own training. It involves listening, learning from the local culture, and working together with national partners to apply the unchanging truths of Scripture in their own context.* To keep theological education focused on the mission, it must remain deeply connected to the life of the church. Training should happen within the context of the church's mission, not separate from it, with students serving and applying their learning from the very beginning.* To the new missionary preparing to train workers: Be a pastor to your students. Your primary role is to shepherd the people God has placed under your care, preparing them to be shepherds in their own contexts.Materials Referenced:* Essay: “Prepared to Serve? Assessment of Seminary Students’ Preparation for Ministry” by Jon Bare (available for download here)* Thesis: “The Student-Faculty Relationship among Male MDiv Students” by Jon Bare (available for download here)* Essay: Jesus, the Theological Educator by Keith Ferdinando* Article: The Role of Theological Education in the Missionary Task by Matthew HirtCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode of Jesus and Jetlag, Mike and Matt host a fascinating four-continent conversation with Matt Behmer and Guy Marquardt about the profound meaning of fellowship (Koinonia) and the practicalities of hospitality in international mission work. They delve into how cultural differences impact ministry, the challenges of fostering mutual relationships in global partnerships, and the powerful role of digital communication in maintaining connections.In This Episode:* Defining Parakaletic Koinonia: Guy Marquardt explains his dissertation concept of "parakaletic koinonia," emphasizing the Holy Spirit's active role in gathering believers for mutual transformation through shared Gospel. He highlights the importance of balancing doctrinal truth with relational love in Christian fellowship.* Cultural Nuances of Hospitality: Matt Behmer shares insights on how hospitality differs across cultures, drawing from his experiences in Latin America compared to Asia, and offers advice on approaching new cultural contexts with humility. Guy adds a personal anecdote about "reverse culture shock" related to social cues in Brazil versus the U.S..* Building Mutual Partnerships: The discussion explores the challenges of unequal partnerships in missions and the importance of fostering truly mutual relationships where everyone stands "at the feet of Jesus" as co-workers. Matt Behmer describes how the Academia Cristo ministry exemplifies people from diverse backgrounds working together, offering a "glimpse of heaven".* Maintaining Connection Despite Distance: The guests discuss how missionaries can sustain meaningful koinonia and partnerships when physical presence isn't possible. Matt Behmer highlights the use of digital hospitality and the deepened trust built through occasional in-person visits. Guy Marquardt draws parallels to the Apostle Paul's use of letters to maintain connections and encouragement despite being physically separated.* Overcoming Obstacles to Hospitality: Matt Behmer addresses modern cultural barriers to hospitality, noting its historical significance in the church and its potential as a counter-cultural force for evangelism.* Genuine vs. Counterfeit Hospitality: The conversation emphasizes the importance of genuine hospitality, motivated by God's own hospitality to us, rather than a "bait and switch" strategy for evangelism. They stress that hospitality should be a way of life, sustained at a healthy pace.* Prioritizing Fellowship with God: The episode concludes by highlighting that a strong relationship with Christ, who is the ultimate host, empowers believers to extend genuine hospitality and fosters deeper relationships with others.Materials Referenced* “Hospitality for Church Planting in Latin America: Mission, Leadership, and Development in the Context of Global Christianity” by Matt Behmer* Paper by Dr. Guy Marquardt* Thesis? by Dr. Guy MarquardtCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

What is the right missionary attitude? How does a missionary move from a place of unintentional superiority to one of genuine, humble servanthood? In this episode, Mike and Matt are joined by Pastor Rob Siirila, who shares wisdom gathered from 36 years of missionary service in Taiwan and Hong Kong.Pastor Siirila delves into the essential posture of a cross-cultural witness, exploring how to overcome the pitfalls of ethnocentrism by developing a learner's mindset. Using memorable analogies like "the monkey and the fish" and the concept of "robe and towel ministry," he provides a framework for building trust and understanding in a new culture.The conversation then shifts to a crucial theological topic: the "3D Gospel." Pastor Siirila explains the three major cultural worldviews—Guilt/Innocence, Shame/Honor, and Fear/Power—and illustrates how the one true Gospel speaks powerfully to each of them. This episode offers invaluable, practical insights for anyone seeking to share the good news of Jesus in a way that truly connects with the heart-level needs of people in any culture.In this episode, you'll learn about:* The Missionary Mindset: The challenge of a superiority complex, which can disguise itself as a virtue, and the importance of cultivating curiosity and a learner's heart.* Robe and Towel Ministry: Understanding the balance between the authority of a teacher (the robe) and the humility of a servant (the towel), following the example of Jesus.* The Monkey and the Fish: A powerful analogy illustrating the danger of offering well-meaning help based on one's own cultural assumptions rather than understanding the true needs of others.* A Model for Learning: A three-stage approach to cultural immersion: learning about a culture, learning from its people, and ultimately, learning with them as partners on a shared mission.* The Servanthood Process: Six key steps to building Christ-like relationships: openness, acceptance, trust, learning, understanding, and serving.* The 3D Gospel: An exploration of the three primary cultural worldviews and how they perceive sin and salvation:* Guilt-Innocence: Focused on law, transgression, and forgiveness.* Shame-Honor: Centered on community, dishonor, and the restoration of face.* Fear-Power: Concerned with spiritual forces, curses, and accessing divine power for protection and freedom.* The Prodigal Son in Asia: Hearing the famous parable through a shame-honor lens, which reveals deep cultural insights and highlights the Father's gracious restoration of honor.* Failing Forward: Encouragement for new missionaries to embrace the learning process, even if it means making mistakes—like accidentally calling Jesus a pig in another language!Mentioned in this episode:* Book: The 3D Gospel by Jason Georges* Book: Leading Cross-Culturally by Sherwood G. Lingenfelter* Book: Cross-Cultural Connections: Stepping Out and Fitting In Around the World by Duane ElmerCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Is there a place for the long, slow work of relationship-building in modern missions? When we're eager to share the good news, the process of simply having coffee, sharing meals, or taking long walks can feel unproductive. But what if these activities are the essential "rock picking" and "soil tilling" that prepare hearts for the gospel?In this episode, we are joined by Aaron Wakeman, Executive Director of Friends Network, an organization that sends laypeople as missionaries around the world. Drawing from his extensive experience in China and in training missionaries, Aaron unpacks the vital importance of "relational evangelism."Join us as we discuss biblical examples of friendship in ministry, the danger of underestimating trust-building across cultures, and practical strategies for moving from acquaintance to authentic friendship. Learn how to view the gospel as a "multi-dimensional diamond" and how to recognize your God-given role as a "de facto chaplain" in the lives of those around you. This conversation is a powerful reminder that the most meaningful ministry often happens not in a formal presentation, but through the patient, loving investment in one person at a time.What we talked about:* Biblical Foundations for Relational Missions: Aaron and the hosts explore passages that highlight the deep, personal connections of the apostles, including Paul's bond with the Thessalonians, his partnership with Priscilla and Aquila, and the ultimate blessing of Jesus dwelling among us.* The Gospel as a Multi-Dimensional Diamond: Aaron introduces the concept of the gospel having many facets—like identity, peace, and honor—that can be turned to speak directly to an individual's specific needs and cultural convictions. He tells the story of how framing the gospel in terms of a father's unconditional love and acceptance powerfully connected with a young woman struggling with parental expectations.* The Farming Metaphor for Ministry: The group discusses how mission work is like farming, involving various legitimate and necessary stages like "rock picking" and "tilling the soil" before a visible harvest. This metaphor affirms the value of long-term, slow, relational work that may not show immediate results. It's estimated that a person may have an average of 30 "touch points" with the gospel before coming to faith.* Building Trust Across Cultures: Trust is not built the same way everywhere. While Americans often build trust based on cognitive factors ("head"), most of the world builds it through relationship and affective factors ("heart"). This is illustrated by the story of a missionary in China who learned he needed to spend "smoky time" building relationships before he could be effective in his theological training.* Becoming a "De Facto Chaplain": With global trust in institutions eroding, 60% of people are more likely to trust close friends and family with spiritual issues than institutional representatives like pastors. This creates opportunities for Christians to become a "de facto chaplain" for people in their lives, who entrust them with significant spiritual matters because of the relationship that has been built.* A Three-Part Method for Evangelism: Aaron shares the strategy his organization teaches: 1. Meaningfully engage in your culture and community, 2. Establish authentic friendships, and 3. Share the gospel wherever God provides an opportunity. He tells the story of a missionary in the Philippines whose commitment to simple, daily engagement with his community led to a crisis intervention and gospel conversation with a local butcher.* Merging Universes and Plausibility Structures: Drawing on Sam Chan's work, Aaron explains the importance of community in evangelism. Introducing a seeker to a community of local believers makes the Christian faith more plausible (aside from the inherent offense of the gospel), helping them overcome the social and cultural hurdles to conversion. This creates a safe environment for the often messy, non-linear process of a spiritual journey.Mentioned in this episode:* Book: The Culture Map by Erin Meyer* Book: The 3D Gospel by Jason Georges* Resource: The 3D Gospel video on YouTube* Book: How to Talk About Jesus (Without Being That Guy) by Sam Chan* Organization: Friends Network* Organization: The Lausanne MovementCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. 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In this episode, we sit down with Paul Wendland, former president of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, to discuss the profound value of the gospel message and how a deep understanding of core Christian teachings can equip leaders for effective cross-cultural ministry. Paul shares insights from his diverse ministry experiences, from Africa to Salt Lake City, illustrating the challenges and blessings of sharing faith across different cultural contexts.Key Takeaways:* The Unconditional Gospel (Objective Justification): Paul explains the concept that forgiveness is a free gift from God, already accomplished through Christ for everyone, regardless of their response. This understanding fuels mission work because it's a message of pure grace for all people.* Theology of the Cross: This teaching helps find God amidst suffering and apparent failure. For missionaries, it means finding validation not in visible success but in God's presence and promises, even during times of loneliness, struggle, or perceived lack of results. It acknowledges that suffering is often part of following Christ, confirming rather than denying one's calling.* The Three Solas:* Scripture Alone (Sola Scriptura): The Bible is the ultimate authority for faith and life, standing above human tradition or philosophy. It guides believers to let Scripture shape their questions and answers, rather than imposing cultural assumptions onto the text.* Grace Alone (Sola Gratia): Reinforces the unconditional nature of God's favor.* Faith Alone (Sola Fide): Salvation is received simply by trusting God's promises, not through human effort, merit, or works.* Understanding Culture in Ministry:* Human Commonality: All people share fundamental traits, like a natural knowledge of God and a moral sense, which provides a basis for communication.* Human Culture: Groups share specific customs, beliefs, and ways of seeing the world (tribal truths). Missionaries must learn to understand these cultural specifics sympathetically.* Human Individuality: Avoid stereotyping; listen to individuals to understand their unique perspectives rather than relying solely on generalized cultural knowledge.* Culture's Role: While culture doesn't affect one's standing "in Christ", it matters greatly in communicating Christ. Effective ministry involves adapting communication methods to the specific cultural context without compromising the core message, often best done in partnership with local leaders.* Advice for New Missionaries:* Prioritize personal and family devotional life.* Build fellowship with colleagues (both expatriate and national); avoid isolation.* Be prepared for culture shock and trust God through it.* Cultivate curiosity and a spirit of adventure.* Accept that you may never fully "fit in," and see the value in a cross-cultural perspective.Resources & Readings Mentioned:* The Apostle Paul and Culture essay by Paul Wendland* Various related essays by Paul Wendland (download here)* Through Gates of Splendor by Elisabeth Elliot* On the Freedom of a Christian by Martin LutherCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode, Mike Hartman and Matthew Doebler welcome Pastor Asher William, who leads a church in South Asia. Pastor Asher shares his incredible journey and insights into gospel-centered missiology.Key Discussion Points:* Asher William's Background: Pastor Asher shares how his admiration for Martin Luther led him to connect with Cross Life Church in America and how he connected with Crosslife Church during the COVID-19 pandemic and found a spiritual home that aligned with his Lutheran beliefs.* Multiplication Formula for Training Believers: Pastor Asher explains his "multiplication formula" for training new believers to become gospel witnesses, emphasizing Second Timothy 2:2. He elaborates on his eight-point study booklet and the use of the Lutheran catechism for foundational teaching.* Key Principles for Evangelism: The discussion highlights four essential elements for effective gospel sharing: a bigger vision, more burden, a clear strategy, and long-term commitment.* Apprenticeship and On-the-Ground Training: Pastor Asher describes how he takes new leaders and believers into the field to experience ministry firsthand, demonstrating the power of the gospel to bring people to Christ. He stresses simplifying gospel-sharing in daily life and trusting God with the results.* Ministering to an Unreached Tribe: Discover the challenges and blessings of sharing the gospel with a tribe that had never heard it before. Pastor Asher shares how learning their language, understanding their culture, and using music and Bible memorization have been crucial.* The Role of Women in Ministry: Pastor Asher emphasizes the vital role of women, like his wife Lubna, in reaching women within conservative cultures where male missionaries cannot.* UAE Ministry and Expanding Reach: The episode touches on the unexpected expansion of their ministry into the UAE, initiated by trained church members who relocated.* National TV Opportunity: Pastor Asher recounts a surprising opportunity to share the gospel on national television during a Christmas lunch with high-ranking police officers, highlighting God's open doors.* Advice for New Missionaries: Pastor Asher advises organizations and new missionaries to prioritize training local missionaries and building strong foundations on teaching rather than solely on funding. He stresses the importance of being prepared for both planned and unplanned mission opportunities, seeing every believer as a tool for God's work.* Theology of Mission: The conversation concludes with a reflection on the seminary's role in teaching a clear theology of mission, emphasizing that while salvation is God's work, believers are called to be active partners in sharing the gospel.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Episode 15 of Jesus and Jetlag features Bill Meier, President and CEO of Kingdom Workers, a global Christian non-profit organization. This episode delves into the concept of holistic gospel ministry, emphasizing the integration of gospel proclamation and compassionate service.Key Discussion Points:* Holistic Gospel Ministry: Bill Meier advocates for a unified approach to ministry, where acts of kindness and compassion are intertwined with spoken gospel proclamation. He stresses that both aspects are essential and originate from the same divine source.* The "Social Gospel" vs. "Evangelical Gnosticism": The conversation addresses the historical tension between emphasizing social ministry and the fear of diluting the gospel message. Meier explains that while acts of kindness are commanded and celebrated, they do not replace the verbal proclamation of the saving Word. He also critiques the idea that helping others is only a "bridge to the gospel," arguing that the primary motivation for helping should be the need itself.* Strategic Outreach and Local Operating Systems: Meier highlights the importance of strategic thinking in ministry, adapting outreach methods to the specific needs and context of a community. He encourages understanding and leveraging "local operating systems" – the cultural systems people use to communicate, collaborate, and execute plans.* The "Peak" of Ministry: Instead of viewing the balance between proclamation and compassion as a "middle ground," Meier describes it as a "peak" where both sharing Jesus' identity and helping those in need are constantly and unabashedly pursued.* Real-World Examples: Bill Meier shares powerful anecdotes from his experiences in Zambia, Malawi, and Indonesia, illustrating the impact of integrated ministry, particularly in serving people with disabilities. He recounts stories of churches transformed by serving their communities and the long-term relationships required for sustainable ministry.Resources Mentioned:* Cultivating a Culture of Compassion essay by Pastor Ryan Kolander* Christian Compassion throughout the Centuries essay by Dr. Glen Thompson* See How They Love One Another! The Ministry of Compassion in Scripture and Early Christianity to 300 AD. esssay by Dr. Keith Wessel* Mercy Booklet Series from the Confessional Lutheran Church Missouri Synod* The 3D Gospel by Jayson Georges* When Helping Hurts by Steve Corbett and Brian Fikkert* The Meros Center website - A Research and Training Center for Christian Health MinistryCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Jon Gross, a producer for Multi-Language Productions focusing on Latin America, joins us to discuss the evolving landscape of digital outreach. From his beginnings learning video production in Chile to implementing AI tools, Jon shares insights on using technology effectively to share the gospel and support ministry work globally.Key Takeaways* Academia Cristo: Jon explains how Academia Cristo uses online resources and social media to reach millions weekly in Latin America, training local leaders to start and lead church groups in their own communities.* Social Media Outreach Trends:* The expectation for high-quality video content in online advertising has increased significantly, even in regions like Latin America.* Facebook remains a primary platform for ads, while Google Ads (including YouTube) offers different ways to reach people actively searching for information.* Consistent Messaging: Maintaining a clear, consistent brand identity (style, message, frequency) across platforms helps people recognize and connect with your ministry.* Targeted Advertising: Platforms like Facebook and Google allow for specific targeting based on demographics (age, location, gender) and interests, but defining your target audience and purpose clearly is crucial for effective campaigns. Consulting marketing professionals can save time and resources.* AI in Ministry:* AI tools like Chat GPT can significantly save time on administrative tasks (e.g., writing emails, summarizing data, brainstorming sermon themes/parts), freeing up time for personal interaction and core ministry work.* AI is a tool controlled by the user; it doesn't replace the human element, pastoral care, or theological discernment. Users must guide it and evaluate its output.* Learning to write effective prompts is key to getting useful results from AI. Customizing AI tools (like building a personal GPT) can make them even more effective.* AI can enhance, rather than hinder, creativity by handling tedious tasks or offering new perspectives.* Respond.io: This platform allows for automated messaging workflows via WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, etc. Academia Cristo uses it to guide new contacts through introductory courses before connecting them to live classes, replacing a more expensive custom app. It can also be used to gather information about people's beliefs and questions before they attend an in-person class.* Advice for New Missionaries: Prioritize immersing yourself in the local culture – learn by walking, talking, and meeting people in person before implementing technological solutions. Understand the community's needs first to define your ministry purpose. Technology is a tool to support the mission, not replace relational ministry.Resources & Readings Mentioned* Organizations/Platforms:* Academia Cristo* Multi-Language Productions* Books:* Writing on the Wall: Social Media - The First 2,000 Years by Tom Standage* Brand Luther by Andrew Pettegree* Growth Hacker Marketing by Ryan Holiday* Building a StoryBrand by Donald Miller* Tools:* Facebook Ads* Google Ads* Chat GPT* Respond.ioCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Guests: Gary Lupe (Missionary, Native American Ministry) & Howie Mohlke (Team Leader, One Africa Team)Summary:Training leaders for gospel ministry across cultures presents unique joys and challenges. In this episode, we hear from Gary Lupe, an Apache missionary trained within his own culture, and Howie Mohlke, who has extensive experience training leaders in other cultures, particularly in Africa.* Gary's Experience: Gary shares his journey through the Apache Christian Training School (ACTS).* Challenges: Balancing immediate ministry responsibilities (like leading a congregation and conducting numerous funerals) with formal training, letting go of former religious beliefs and superstitions, navigating cultural misunderstandings, and facing peer pressure from family and friends for adopting Christianity.* Blessings: Finding freedom and stability through God's Word, the patience of his instructors, and the ability to share Jesus clearly with fellow Apache people. He emphasizes that ACTS is "gold" for the Apache people.* Howie's Perspective: Howie reflects on training leaders cross-culturally.* Culturally Appropriate Training: Stresses the need to move beyond importing training models (like sending potential Apache leaders to schools in the US Midwest or using US-centric pastoral resources in other countries) and instead develop training with local people that fits their context. This involves identifying real needs (like basic Bible history knowledge) and equipping local leaders to train others ("train the trainers").* Defining Public Ministry: Challenges listeners to consider whether their definition of "public ministry" and "the call" is based purely on Scripture or influenced by cultural traditions. The New Testament allows for great flexibility in ministry forms.* Avoiding "Barnacles": Warns against missionaries unintentionally adding their own cultural baggage ("barnacles") to the gospel message or church practices, which can hinder ministry in a new context. Using a culturally foreign church constitution as an example.* Distinguishing Culture and Sin: Both guests touch on the vital need to discern between cultural practices that are neutral or positive and those that conflict with God's Word (like syncretism or specific traditional religious ceremonies). Local leaders like Gary are crucial in helping missionaries understand these distinctions.* The Essentials: What's essential for training leaders in another culture?* Listen: Humbly seek to understand the individual, their background, motivations, and cultural context.* God's Word: The ultimate foundation. It provides the truth, answers, and freedom needed.* Courage: God's Word empowers leaders with the courage to stand firm against sin (even culturally ingrained sin) and negative pressure, while proclaiming God's grace.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Guests: Professor Tim Matthies & Pastor Tony Barthels (Asia Lutheran Seminary)SummaryLearning a new language is a crucial part of mission work, but it often comes with challenges. In this episode, we talk with Tim Matthies and Tony Barthels, who share their extensive experience learning and teaching languages like German, Chinese, Greek, and Hebrew.* Embracing Mistakes: A major hurdle in language acquisition is the fear of making mistakes or sounding silly. Tony emphasizes the importance of "failing forward" – being willing to try, make errors, and learn from them without taking yourself too seriously.* Immersion is Key: Both guests highlight the value of immersion. This includes finding patient native speakers to practice with, consuming media in the target language, and aiming for at least 90% of learning time to be in the target language.* Living Language vs. Grammar Rules: Tim discusses the difference between learning a language through grammar rules (like traditional Latin or Greek classes) and learning it as a "living language". The living language approach focuses on comprehensible input, using physical actions, context, and stories to build understanding and fluency naturally.* Practical Tips:* Resist the urge to default to English or your native tongue.* Focus on understanding and distinguishing the sounds of the language first.* Practice "inner speech" – thinking to yourself in the new language.* Involve the whole family in the learning process and cultural integration by making local friends and participating in local activities.* Be patient and persistent; language learning is a journey.* Technology's Role: Tony offers a counter-intuitive perspective, suggesting that over-reliance on technology (like translation apps or online shopping) can sometimes hinder language learning and relationship building by removing the need for real-world interaction and problem-solving. Leaning on people for help builds relationships.* Encouragement: Humans are created to learn language. Don't be afraid – leverage the opportunities God gives you to connect with people through their own language.Resources & Reading Mentioned* "Notes on Learning a Foreign Language from an Informant" by Professor Ernie R. Wendland (Referenced for practical tips, including informant interaction and inner speech).* "Selective Survey of English Education in the 19th and 20th through the 21st Centuries" (Referenced regarding the ACTFL recommendation for 90% target language use in class time ).Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary* Asia Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

About the Speakers* Rachel Hartman has worked as a freelance writer and author for the past two decades. She and her husband met in Mexico City, where he was serving as a missionary. Together the couple has spent time serving in Latin America, Miami, and the United Kingdom. They currently reside in London with their four children, along with a cat and a dog.* Cindy is a registered nurse, mom of five, and wife to missionary Andrew Johnston. Growing up in a large family of 14 children, Cindy learned early the value of teamwork, resilience, and love. Deeply committed to sharing the gospel, she and her husband serve together in their mission work while also partnering with a health and wellness company to help others live their best lives. A lover of travel, Cindy has lived in places like Antigua, Mexico, and Miami, and enjoys teaching swimming lessons on the side. With a heart for adventure, a strong faith, and a commitment to balance, she’s always looking for new ways to inspire and empower those around her.* Christine Doebler is an evangelist for Friends Network and also a Christian life coach for Grace in Action. She and her husband Matt have been married for 30 years and have 5 adult children (3 biological, 2 in-laws) and 3 grandchildren. (1 due in August).Key Discussion Points* Preparing for the Mission Field* The importance of learning from those who have previously served on the mission field, while also recognizing the uniqueness of individual experiences.* Gathering advice from both current and former missionaries in the field to gain a well-rounded perspective.* Balancing received advice with personal judgment, as highlighted by an anecdote about differing opinions on whether to bring bikes.* The necessity of adaptability, flexibility, a positive attitude, and a sense of humor in navigating unpredictable situations.* Challenges Faced by Missionary Wives* Common challenges include culture shock, adapting to a new environment, and feelings of isolation.* The challenge of redefining purpose and identity in a new culture, including establishing new routines and networks.* Maintaining spiritual life and support systems, with emphasis on the importance of marriage.* Turning Challenges into Blessings* Instances where challenges, such as a year of nomadic living, led to unexpected family bonding and growth.* The value of tools like Strength Finders in enhancing spousal understanding and teamwork.* The significance of engaging in family devotions for collective spiritual growth.* Community and Relationships* The role of mission teams as a source of support and “family” in the absence of close relatives.* The unique opportunity to form deep and meaningful friendships in the mission field.* The transformative experience of living as an expat, fostering empathy and a deeper understanding of belonging and connection.* Experiencing a profound appreciation for one’s faith, as shared in a personal reflection on witnessing a large gathering in Mexico City.* The natural opportunities for sharing faith and engaging in spiritual conversations in a mission context.* Creating Family Traditions* The significance of establishing new family traditions to create a sense of continuity and comfort in a foreign setting.* Incorporating elements from both home and host cultures to enrich traditions, as illustrated by anecdotes about Christmas trees and birthday songs.* Staying Connected with Family* The importance of cherishing in-person time with family and the enhanced appreciation for those relationships.* Leveraging technology for regular communication while being mindful of its potential drawbacks.* Adopting a mindset of “home” being the current place of residence to aid in settling and building local connections.* Resources and Recommendations* The value of books in deepening cultural understanding, including the suggestion to explore works by local authors.* Actively participating in local customs and events to foster connection and build bridges, exemplified by the Hartman family's immersion in British culture.* The importance of mindful representation of the host culture to others, balancing personal experiences with respect and positivity.* Cultural Adaptation* Acknowledging the time and patience required for cultural adaptation, with personal anecdotes on navigating cultural differences.Final Thoughts* Gratitude for those who embark on mission work, acknowledging the challenges and the ultimate blessings.* Encouragement to embrace the journey and find joy in every situation.Reading List* The Bible* African Friends and Money Matters – Recommended for those preparing for work in Africa.* A Framework for Understanding Poverty* Unoffendable* Toxic Charity* Foreign to Familiar* The 3D Gospel* Love and Respect* We Are Not the Hero* Third Culture Kids* Strengths Finders 2.0* Books about working in teams or marriageCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. 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In this episode, we interview Andrew Johnston, a missionary leading the Wisconsin Lutheran Synod mission team in Latin America and president of Academia Cristo. The discussion centers on the concept of "universal priesthood" and its implications for mission work.Johnston explains that "universal priesthood" means all Christians, like priests, can enter God's presence and have the privilege of preaching the gospel, praying for others, and serving in their unique callings. This concept is fundamental to the universal Church and local congregations.The interview also explores how this understanding shapes mission work, emphasizing the need for flexibility in different cultural contexts. Johnston states, "missiology flows from ecclesiology," highlighting that our understanding of the church influences our mission approach.Johnston discusses Academia Cristo, an online platform for training and equipping church planters in Latin America. He explains the program's structure and its role in transitioning individuals from universal priests to public gospel leaders.For new missionaries, Johnston advises differentiating between essential and incidental aspects of ministry and being open to learning from the new culture. He stresses the importance of studying the New Testament to understand the essentials and immersing oneself in the culture to discern the incidentals.Key Points:* The concept of "universal priesthood" and its importance in missions.* The significance of ecclesiology in shaping missiology.* Academia Cristo's role in training and equipping church planters.* Advice for new missionaries on cultural adaptation and discerning essentials in ministry.References:* The Origin and Development of the New Testament Ministry essay by John Schaller* Treasure in Jars of Clay: The Synergy Between the Instrumental and Ministerial Causes in God’s Plan of Salvation essay by Jonathan HeinCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode, Paul Nitz discusses the complexities of subsidy in mission work, drawing from his extensive experience and missiological insights. He defines subsidy, addresses the power dynamics it creates, and provides principles for healthy partnerships between missionaries and local churches.Key Discussion Points:* Definition of Subsidy: Financial support provided to a local church body from a church outside the country.* The Problem of Power: Subsidy can create an imbalance of power between missionaries and local partners, leading to relational and political challenges.* Cultural Differences: Cultural differences in dealing with money can complicate the use of subsidy.* The Patron-Client Relationship: The patron-client model, while potentially useful in some cultural contexts, can create further complications in cross-cultural missions.* Guiding Principles: Nitz argues against rigid policies of always giving or never giving subsidy. Instead, he advocates for principles like indigeneity, replication, and partnership, emphasizing that any financial support should aim to empower local ministries toward independence and sustainability.* Humility and Listening: Nitz stresses the importance of humility, listening and learning, cultural sensitivity, and open communication in navigating subsidy.* Gospel-Centered Perspective: Nitz suggests that a deep understanding of the gospel's light and the world's darkness helps missionaries approach the issue of subsidy with a balanced perspective.Resources Referenced* African Friends and Money Matters by David E. Maranz* The Lausanne Standards* Church Planting Movements: How God Is Redeeming a Lost World by David GarrisonCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Professor Ken Cherney from Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary joins us to discuss missiology in the epistles, financial support for missionaries, and missiology in the Old Testament.About Professor Ken Cherney:* Professor at Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, teaching Old Testament and systematic theology.* 1988 graduate of Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary.* Served in various ministry settings, including Brazil, South Louisiana, and the Caribbean.* Former director of the Caribbean Christian Training Institute.Key Discussion Points:Missiology in the Epistles:* The epistles present a spirit of joy and confidence in God's mission.* Mission work is warm, personal, and relational.* The epistles highlight the urgency of mission in light of Christ's return.* Balancing the urgency of mission with the confidence that it is God's work.* The importance of affection for the people being served.Training People for Gospel Ministry:* Ministers of the Gospel are gifts from God.* The doctrines of church and ministry are key.* Using technology wisely in missions.Mission Promotions:* Connecting missionaries and mission churches with each other.* Emphasizing the relational connection of the Gospel across boundaries.Financial Support of Missionaries:* A missionary’s salary is provision for needs, not payment for services.* Ministers are ordinarily supported by those they serve.* In certain situations, ministers may decline support.* Determining appropriate compensation requires careful discussion and cultural sensitivity.Missiology in the Old Testament:* The Servant Songs in Isaiah highlight the mission to the Gentiles.* The greatness of Christ motivates mission work.* Isaiah 60 and 61 emphasize the worldwide mission.Final Thoughts:* The importance of joy, confidence, and love in mission work.* The need for cultural sensitivity and adaptation.* The value of partnerships and interdependence in missions.* The centrality of the Gospel in motivating and shaping mission strategy.Key Takeaways:* Mission work should be characterized by joy, confidence in God's plan, and love for the people being served.* Financial support of missionaries should be viewed as providing for their needs, not as payment for services rendered.* The Old Testament, particularly the book of Isaiah, also emphasizes the importance of the worldwide mission.Links and References:* Writing on the Wall: Social Media - The First 2000 Years book by Thomas Standage* Brand Luther book by Andrew Pettegree* God’s Money in God’s Mission essay by Dr. Kenneth CherneyQuotes:* “God's people have a Savior. You're not Him.”* "Do you love these people?"* "The medium is the message." - Marshall McLuhan* "If you had to pay for gospel ministry, what really anything commensurate with its real value to you? Forget it. You couldn't afford it."* "A savior this great needs a world that great and a mission that great."Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode, Professor Al Sorum, from the Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary's Pastoral Studies Institute (PSI), shares insights from his extensive experience in cross-cultural ministry and missiology. He discusses the importance of cultural adaptation, the challenges of majority vs. minority mindsets, and the unique contributions of biblical Lutheran missiology to global ministry.Guest Bio:Professor Al Sorum has been a member of the Pastoral Studies Institute (PSI) team since 2004. He teaches missiology, leadership, and New Testament isagogics at the Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary. His ministry experience includes 21 years serving in the inner city of Milwaukee, with a focus on evangelism, male leadership development, and intercultural competence.Key Topics:* Key Lessons from Ministry* The importance of listening to and valuing cultural perspectives.* The need for humility and recognizing one's own cultural biases.* The power of relationships and building trust in cross-cultural ministry.* Empowering local leaders to use their cultural ways to express biblical truth.* Majority vs. Minority Mindset* The majority mindset can hinder effective cross-cultural ministry.* Missionaries need to be aware of their own cultural filters and biases.* The minority mindset can provide valuable insights and perspectives.* Building a community of trust is essential for effective cross-cultural leadership.* The Importance of Cultural Adaptation* Cultural adaptation is about effectively communicating biblical truth in different cultural contexts, not compromising it.* Missionaries should be students of the culture they serve, learning how people communicate and express truth.* The goal is to empower local leaders to use their own cultural ways to share the Gospel.* The Unique Gift of the WELS* The WELS has a unique theological gift to offer the world: the understanding of complete dependence on God's grace.* This understanding leads to humble confidence and allows for genuine partnership in mission work.* The WELS can offer a profoundly human and universal message of dependence on God's grace.* Key Takeaways* Cross-cultural ministry requires humility, intentionality, and a willingness to learn.* Building trust and empowering local leaders are essential for effective mission work.Quotes:* “My core belief and perspective didn't come from a book, but from the awesome black brothers I evangelized and teamed with at GE house. What they taught me has served well in 33 countries under the PSI banner”.* “We experience life from our majority culture, and it's not malicious, it's not mean on our part, it's not evil. But because we're part of the majority culture, we're just so used to people accommodating to us. We just presume that”.* “Leading cross culturally is inspiring people who come from two or more cultural traditions to participate with you, the leader or leadership team, in building a community of trust, and then to follow you and be empowered by you to achieve a compelling vision of faith”.* “That is the unique theological gift of the WELS to the world, is that we are all these humbled, needy, dependent, little children in God's world, we are totally dependent on him”.* “We have something to offer that is profoundly human and profoundly universal, that that is our special gift to the work of the church on planet Earth”.Resources:* Intercultural Development Instrument (IDI)* Leading Cross-Culturally book by Sherwood LingenfelterCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.* Pastoral Studies Institute of Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode, Terry Schultz, a missionary and ethnomusicologist, shares his insights on the importance of understanding and honoring indigenous music in gospel ministry. He discusses the concept of “heart music,” the impact of cultural background on musical preferences, and the need for missionaries to prioritize the Bible over their own cultural expressions of worship. Terry also provides practical advice for missionaries seeking to engage with local cultures respectfully and effectively.Key Topics and Points* Christian Ethnomusicology: Terry explains ethnomusicology as the study of the anthropology of music and how people use music in their culture, based on God's Word.* The Power of Music: Music holds immense power, capable of evoking a wide range of intense emotions.* Heart Music Defined: Heart music is the music a person grows up with and is most comfortable using to express their emotions. Musical preferences are formed early in life, with significant connections being made during the teen years, linking music to strong emotional experiences.* Music is Not a Universal Language: Musical tastes and systems vary significantly across cultures. Western music, with its emphasis on melody and harmony, differs greatly from African music, which is rhythm-centric.* Theological Implications for Missionaries: Missionaries must recognize the power of heart music and avoid imposing their own musical preferences on other cultures.* Bring Your Bible, Not Your Hymnal: This phrase emphasizes the importance of sharing the truth of the Gospel while allowing cultures to develop their own expressions of worship.* Empowering Indigenous Worship: It is important to empower the local culture to create its own worship resources, using indigenous music, instruments, and styles.* The Role of the Missionary: The missionary's role is to facilitate and guide, not to dictate or control, allowing the culture to express its faith authentically.* Luther’s Approach to Music: Martin Luther was revolutionary in his approach to music and worship, recognizing its power and importance. He moved away from the Roman Catholic mass and incorporated German folk music into worship, making it more accessible and participatory for the congregation.* Contemporary Application: Just as Luther applied music to contemporary issues, there is value in doing so today, using relevant musical styles to connect with people.* Cultural Sensitivity: Missionaries should approach cultures with humility, recognizing that they are learners and servants, not superiors. They should seek to become cultural insiders, learning and understanding the local context before attempting to introduce new practices.* Impact of Globalism: Globalization has made various musical styles more accessible worldwide, influencing contemporary musical preferences. Missionaries must be aware of these influences and allow cultures to integrate them as they see fit.Useful Links* “Ethnomusicology from the 1500s: Applying Luther's Revolutionary Musical Practices to Today's Mission Field” essay by Dr. Terry Schultz* “‘Whose Heart Music Is in Your Mission's Hymnal?’ Ethnomusicology Principles for Cross-Cultural Ministry” essay by Dr. Terry SchultzCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.All commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Guest: Professor Sam Degner, Wisconsin Lutheran SeminaryTopics:* Missio Dei* The Image of God (Imago Dei)* Missiology* The Book of Acts as a Missiological Model* Practical Application of Mission PrinciplesKey Takeaways:* Missio Dei means "mission of God."* The mission of the church is God's mission, focused on reconciling sinners to Himself.* Understanding the Imago Dei (Image of God) helps us focus on spiritual salvation as the core of God's mission.* Missiology is the study of the mission of the church, drawing from various disciplines like history, anthropology, and linguistics.* The book of Acts provides a biblical model for missiology, demonstrating how theology and history inform mission strategy.* Practical application involves understanding God's mission and discerning our role in our specific vocations.References and links:* Timothy Tennant, Invitation to World Missions (2010)* John Mark Terry, Missiology: An Introduction (1999)* Missio Dei and Imago Dei by Professor Sam Degner (available on gospelcenteredmentoring.site for download)* Pastor Jonathan Schroeder’s Jesus and Jetlag episode on grace, the cross, and vocation in missions. * The Missions PodcastCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran system* Wisconsin Lutheran Quarterly (WLQ) - A theological journal, published by Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary, that aims to serve pastors and theologians with scholarly articles, book reviews, and reflections on contemporary theological and pastoral concerns.All commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Guest: Pastor Larry Schlomer, Administrator of World Missions for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS)Topics:* Evolution of mission strategies in recent decades* Key differences between ministry in the US and mission work abroad* Importance of multiplication and reproducible ministry models* Concept of the "person of peace" in mission strategy* Unexpected opportunities and adapting plans in mission workKey Takeaways:* Missiological Shift: WELS mission strategy has undergone significant changes, moving from a model that mirrored US ministry practices to one that prioritizes indigenous leadership and multiplication.* Empowering Local Leadership: Successful mission work focuses on empowering local leaders to take ownership of ministry, recognizing their cultural insights and understanding.* Multiplication Mindset: A multiplication focus is essential for planting not just a church, but a church body that can reproduce and spread the Gospel organically.* Person of Peace: The "person of peace" concept highlights the importance of identifying and partnering with individuals who are ready to participate in gospel ministry.* Flexibility and Adaptation: Missionaries must be prepared for unexpected opportunities and challenges, remaining flexible and adaptable to God's leading.* New missionary approach: Embrace the challenge of cross-cultural ministry, prioritize empowering local leaders, and remain adaptable to God's guidance.Closing Thought:"This is God's ministry, not yours." - Pastor Larry SchlomerLinks and Resources:* Pastor John Schroeder's essay on the doctrine of vocation* David Garrison's "Seven Deadly Sins of Church Planting Movements"* Passing the Baton: Church Planting That Empowers by Tom A. Steffen* “Persons of Peace” article on Missional Challenge* The Meros CenterCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World Missions* CELC = Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference* CICR = Commission on Inter-Church Relations of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod* Vicar = a pastoral intern in the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran systemAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Three Confessional Lutheran Doctrines and Their Impact on Missions:* Centrality of the Means of Grace:* Word and sacraments are the tools the Holy Spirit uses to create faith.* Importance of Law and Gospel in bringing people to faith.* Story of Logan, an atheist who came to faith through the means of grace.* Importance of sharing and keeping the Word.* The balance between theological education and outreach.* Theology of the Cross:* Finding God in the midst of suffering.* Distinction between theology of glory (finding worth in works) and theology of the cross (finding God in suffering).* God reveals himself by hiding himself (the paradox of the cross).* God is hidden in suffering.* Story of Logan's wife, Marnie, who was diagnosed with dementia but later baptized.* Importance of devotional life for missionaries to see suffering as a gift from God.* Lutheran Vocation:* Everyone has a calling, not just clergy.* All vocations are equal in God's eyes.* We are masks of God, carrying out His work in the world.* Importance of recognizing the priesthood of all believers.* Story of how lay people in the congregation ministered to Logan and Marnie.* Vocation provides dignity, meaning, and identity.Key Takeaways:* The interview emphasizes the importance of these three doctrines for understanding and carrying out missions.* Missions involves both sharing and keeping the Word.* God works through suffering and uses all believers to carry out His work in the world.* The interview highlights the power of the Gospel and the means of grace to transform lives.* It also underscores the importance of a strong devotional life for missionaries.Resources Mentioned:* Website: georgiafaith.com* Essay: Shepherd Leaders Under the Cross by Jonathan Schroeder* Book: The Theology of the Cross by Daniel Deutschlander* Essay: Our Calling: Christian Vocation in the Ministry of the Gospel by Jonathan SchroederAbout Pastor Schroeder:* Pastor at Faith Lutheran Church in Sharpsburg, GA (SW suburb of Atlanta) for 25 years.* Chairman of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod Board for World Missions.* Extensive experience in church planting and growth.* Has trained numerous vicars (intern pastors) in mission settings.* Strong emphasis on outreach and missions.Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World MissionsAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

Guest: Dr. Glen Thompson, Professor Emeritus at Asia Lutheran SeminaryTopics Covered:* Key missiological ideas in the first 12 chapters of Acts, including the conversion of Peter and the stories of Stephen and Philip* The importance of humanitarian aid in missions* Different categories of missionaries and how Paul fits into those categories* Paul's mission strategy and the importance of flexibility* The importance of the polis in understanding the early church* The multi-site church model and its roots in the early church* Training of church leaders in the early church* The importance of letter writing and other forms of technology in the early church* The Book of Acts as a descriptive rather than prescriptive guide for missionsKey Takeaways:* The Book of Acts is a valuable resource for understanding the early church's missiological approaches, but it is not a prescriptive manual.* Flexibility is key in missions, as there is no one-size-fits-all approach.* The early church made effective use of technology, such as letter writing and the codex.* The multi-site church model has roots in the early church's approach to ministry.Call to Action:* Read the Book of Acts with an eye toward the missiological principles it reveals.* Consider how you can be more flexible in your own approach to missions.* Explore the resources listed in the show notes to learn more about the early church and its missiology.Additional Notes:* The interview also touched on the importance of the Holy Spirit's guidance in missions and the need for missionaries to be sensitive to the cultural contexts in which they serve.* Dr. Thompson emphasized the importance of partnership and cooperation among missionaries and churches.* He also encouraged listeners to pray for missionaries and to support them financially and practically.Links and Resources:* Missionary Methods: St. Paul's or Ours by Roland Allen* Understanding Church Growth by Donald McGavran* Paul the Missionary: Realities, Strategies and Methods by Eckhard Schnabel* Dr. Thompson’s Website: www.fourthcentury.com* Books by Dr. Thompson:* In This Way We Came to Rome* Jing Jiao: The Earliest Christian Church in ChinaCommon Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World MissionsAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe

In this episode, Brian Doebler, a pastor in Southern California, discusses the concept of missiology with us, particularly its application in the Old Testament. He explains "missio dei" as the mission of God, emphasizing the Triune God's sending of His Son, the Holy Spirit, and the church to the world. Missiology, he notes, is a multi-disciplinary study that includes sociology, anthropology, and cultural analysis. Doebler challenges the traditional view of Old Testament mission as purely centripetal, arguing for a more inclusive understanding that includes missionary activity by both prophets and laypeople. He highlights examples like Uriah the Hittite and Ebed Melech, illustrating Gentile believers influenced by Israelites. Doebler advocates for a consistent view of God's mission throughout the Bible, encouraging missionaries to integrate missiology into their devotional and professional lives.About Brian Doebler:* Pastor at King of Kings Lutheran Church in Garden Grove, Southern California.* Ministering in a diverse community with a large Hispanic and Vietnamese population.* Part of a pastoral team, collaborating with pastors focused on Spanish and Vietnamese ministries.* Married with four children.Explanation of Missio Dei* Brian defines missio dei as the mission of God, focusing on the Triune God's sending of His Son, the Holy Spirit, and the church to bring salvation to the world.* He emphasizes the simplicity and universality of the mission of God, regardless of different interpretations.* Brian explains the sending of Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the church as central to the mission of God.Definition and Study of Missiology* Brian describes missiology as a multi-disciplinary study that includes theology, sociology, linguistics, anthropology, and cultural analysis.* He explains the importance of understanding the message, the messenger, and the audience in missiology.* Brian highlights the role of missiology in analyzing mission activities throughout history and providing feedback to missionaries.Missiological Gadflies* Brian explains the metaphor of a gadfly, which irritates to create unrest and resist complacency.* He emphasizes the evangelical role of missiology in encouraging and challenging both theologians and missionaries.* Brian discusses the balance between theology and mission, using the metaphor of Isaiah 54 to illustrate the need for strength in the Word of God.Missiology as the Queen of Theology* Brian explains the integration of missiology with theology and other disciplines in seminary training.* He advocates for a curriculum that fully integrates missiology alongside other disciplines to inform and guide mission efforts.* Brian emphasizes the importance of missiology in providing a sounding board for mission activities and challenging assumptions in theology and mission practice.Challenging Assumptions in Missiology* Brian explains that missiology questions assumptions about mission practice, the training of theologians, and hermeneutics.* He discusses the centripetal and centrifugal mission models in the Old and New Testaments, respectively.* Brian challenges the assumption that mission in the Old Testament was purely centripetal, focusing on drawing people to Israel, and argues for a more inclusive view of mission in the Old Testament.Examples of Mission in the Old Testament* Brian highlights the early mission activity in Genesis, starting with God's promise to Adam and Eve and the call on the name of the Lord in Genesis 4.* He mentions the calling of Abraham in Genesis 12 and the universal command to be a blessing to all nations.* Brian emphasizes the active role of lay people in mission, such as the household of Abraham and the proclamation of the gospel by the Israelites during the Exodus.Missional Hermeneutic in the Old Testament* Brian discusses the importance of a missional hermeneutic in interpreting the Old Testament.* He highlights the universal message of salvation in Genesis 3 and the call to proclaim the gospel in Psalm 96.* Brian emphasizes the role of the Israelites as a kingdom of priests and the importance of their mission to the nations.* He argues against a centripetal-only view of mission in the Old Testament and advocates for a more inclusive understanding of mission throughout the Old Testament.Practical Advice for Missionaries* Brian emphasizes the importance of a strong devotional life and finding the impetus for mission in the heart of God as revealed in the whole Word of God.* He encourages missionaries to look for the mission heart of God in every corner of the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.* Brian advises missionaries to integrate missiology into their training and devotional life to inform and guide their mission work effectively.* Brian emphasizes the importance of a consistent view of mission throughout the Bible.Resources Mentioned: * Brian’s doctrinal paper about missiology in Psalm 22 and his Powerpoint presentation (pdf notes version) about Missiology in the Old Testament on our downloads page. Common Terms and Links on Jesus and Jetlag* WELS = Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (wels.net)* WLS = Wisconsin Lutheran Seminary in Mequon Wisconsin (wisluthsem.org)* Collection of Confessional Lutheran Essays* BWM = WELS Board for World MissionsAll commentary, statements, and discussion on this podcast reflect the knowledge, insight, and experience solely of the individuals presenting and featured on the podcast. Get full access to Gospel-Centered at www.gospelcenteredmentoring.site/subscribe