The DIVERG. Podcast

In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we’re joined by Brian Middleton, BCBA and leader in values-driven behavior support. Brian walks us through his journey of integrating the ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) framework into his practice, offering a powerful alternative to compliance-based behavior plans.Together, we explore how ACT shifts the conversation from “fixing behavior” to helping individuals live in alignment with their values, even in the face of difficult thoughts or emotions. Brian shares how this approach fosters autonomy, emotional resilience, and connection—especially for neurodivergent kids whose needs are often misunderstood in traditional systems.This episode is an invitation to reimagine support—not as control, but as collaboration rooted in dignity, consent, and purpose.In this episode, we cover: An introduction to the ACT Framework and how it applies to neurodivergent support The role of language, acceptance, and psychological flexibility in long-term growth Practical strategies for parents and practitioners who want to shift their approachEpisode Resources:Behavior Analysis & Foundational Texts The Four Free-Operant Freedoms Coercion and Its Fallout Tactics of Scientific Research: Evaluating Experimental Data in Psychology Executive Function: What They Are, How They Work, and Why They Evolved Executive Functioning Workbook for KidsACT-Based Resources for Adolescents The Thriving Adolescent Stuff That Sucks Your Life, Your WayACT Resources for Children and Behavior Analysts ACT for Adolescents The ACT Workbook for Kids ACT and Applied Behavior AnalysisAdditional ACT-Related Resources Superhero Therapy It Shouldn't Be This Way•  • Super-Women: Superhero Therapy for Women Battling Anxiety, Depression, and Trauma

In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we’re joined by Brian Middleton, BCBA and leader in values-driven behavior support. Brian walks us through his journey of integrating the ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) framework into his practice, offering a powerful alternative to compliance-based behavior plans.Together, we explore how ACT shifts the conversation from “fixing behavior” to helping individuals live in alignment with their values, even in the face of difficult thoughts or emotions. Brian shares how this approach fosters autonomy, emotional resilience, and connection—especially for neurodivergent kids whose needs are often misunderstood in traditional systems.This episode is an invitation to reimagine support—not as control, but as collaboration rooted in dignity, consent, and purpose.In this episode, we cover: An introduction to the ACT Framework and how it applies to neurodivergent support The role of language, acceptance, and psychological flexibility in long-term growth Practical strategies for parents and practitioners who want to shift their approachEpisode Resources: Behavior Analysis & Foundational Texts The Four Free-Operant Freedoms Coercion and Its Fallout  Tactics of Scientific Research: Evaluating Experimental Data in Psychology Executive Function: What They Are, How They Work, and Why They Evolved Executive Functioning Workbook for KidsACT-Based Resources for Adolescents The Thriving Adolescent Stuff That Sucks Your Life, Your WayACT Resources for Children and Behavior Analysts ACT for Adolescents The ACT Workbook for Kids ACT and Applied Behavior AnalysisAdditional ACT-Related Resources Superhero Therapy It Shouldn't Be This Way Super-Women: Superhero Therapy for Women Battling Anxiety, Depression, and Trauma

In this very special episode of The DIVERG. Podcast, we’re hosting our first-ever panel—and the topic is one close to our hearts: Neuroaffirming Parenting.Joining us today are three incredible parents and advocates who are leading voices in this space:Leila Toigo (@SprinkledSpectrum) – Mother to an autistic daughter and passionate advocate for centering autistic voices in how we approach parenting and support.David Coe (@DaDavidCoe) – Father to Asher and served as a board member of his local Regional Center in California. David brings a grounded, fatherhood-forward perspective to the conversation.Elena Croy (@AtHerOwnPace) – Writer, advocate, and mom to a neurodivergent son and a daughter with Down syndrome. Elena works closely with NDSS, fighting for better resources and recognition for families in the disability community.This panel is honest, hopeful, and full of life. Whether you’re deep in the journey or just starting out, you’ll walk away feeling seen, supported, and a little less alone.Tune in for connection, community, and real-talk about what it means to parent with intention, empathy, and respect for neurodivergence.

Dr. Karyn Harvey Ph.D. and Author of Positive Identity DevelopmentIn this powerful episode of The DIVERG. Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Karyn Harvey—a renowned psychologist, author, and leading voice in trauma-informed care for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities. With over 35 years of clinical experience, Dr. Harvey has dedicated her career to shifting the way we think about disability, trauma, and healing.Together, we explore what it really means to center dignity in support systems, why trauma—not disability—is often at the root of challenging behavior, and how practitioners, families, and educators can create environments that foster true connection and emotional safety.Dr. Harvey’s work challenges us to move beyond behavior-focused interventions and instead focus on identity, community, and the basic human right to a meaningful life. Whether you're a parent, professional, or advocate, this conversation will leave you with a deeper understanding of how trauma-informed, person-centered care can change lives.Dr Harvey’s WebsiteThe Alliance Against Seclusion & Restraint

Sam Drezin, Founder & Executive Director of Changing PerspectivesIn this inspiring episode, we sit down with Sam Drazin, educator, speaker, and founder of Changing Perspectives—a nonprofit organization dedicated to fostering social-emotional learning (SEL) and promoting inclusive school communities. Sam shares his personal journey and the pivotal experiences that led him to create Changing Perspectives, as well as insights into why SEL and disability awareness are critical to creating compassionate, equitable learning environments.We dive into how Changing Perspectives helps schools integrate empathy-building programs, the importance of embracing diversity in all its forms, and actionable ways educators and communities can champion inclusion. Whether you're a parent, teacher, or advocate, this conversation will leave you feeling empowered to rethink how we nurture understanding and belonging in our schools—and beyond.Changing Perspectives WebsiteSocial-Emotional Learning and Disability Awareness Curriculum 

Join us for an engaging episode featuring Brian Middleton, the Bearded Behaviorist, as we delve into the heart of Radical Behaviorism and Radical Accountability. In this conversation, Brian unpacks the evolving landscape of ABA, explores pressing ethical challenges, and offers fresh perspectives on how the field can move forward with renewed accountability. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or new to behavior analysis, this episode promises insightful dialogue, innovative ideas, and a touch of Brian’s signature wit. Tune in to rethink the future of ABA, ethics, and transformative accountability.

Marge Blanc, M. A., CC C-SLP and Author of Natural Language Acquisition

Marge Blanc, M. A., CC C-SLP and Author of Natural Language AcquisitionIn this special Autism Acceptance Month episode, I’m honored to share a conversation with the incredible Marge Blanc, Speech-Language Pathologist and author of Natural Language Acquisition: On the Journey with Echolalia.Marge’s work has been transformational for my family, opening up a whole new understanding of how autistic kids acquire and use language—especially those who are Gestalt Language Processors.We talk about what it really means to “embrace the whole voice,” how echolalia is meaningful, and how Natural Language Acquisition (NLA) provides a compassionate, neuroaffirming framework for supporting language development.This episode is just the beginning—a gateway into the Total Communication movement, where scripts, AAC, gestures, intonation, and every form of authentic communication is celebrated and supported.Whether you're a parent, therapist, educator, or simply curious about how to support autistic communication in respectful and empowering ways, this episode is for you.Resources + Links: Marge Blanc’s Website (Communication Development Center): https://www.communicationdevelopmentcenter.com Natural Language Acquisition Book by Marge Blanc: https://www.communicationdevelopmentcenter.com/nla-book Uniquely Human by Dr. Barry Prizant: https://www.barryprizant.com/uniquely-human Ali Battye’s New Book – My Child is Gestalt Language Processor: A Parent’s Guide to NLA Affect Autism Blog & Podcast (DIR/Floortime & Gestalt Language)Additional Courses:  Meaningful Speech (NLA Courses & Parent Resources): https://www.meaningfulspeech.com Natural Communicationhttps://naturalcommunication.com/  Gestalt Language Processing An Introductionhttps://www.uncleft.com/courses/Gestalt-Language-Processing-An-Introduction-1715581721243-6641b3198993f577c539bca8 Northern Speech Services NLA Level 1 Course: Linguistics of Echolalia in Language Development

Dr. Alicia A. Broderick, Professor of EducationIn this thought-provoking episode, I sit down with Dr. Alicia A. Broderick to unpack how branding, capitalism, and cultural narratives have shaped our modern understanding of autism. Dr. Broderick, a professor of education and a leading voice in critical disability studies, challenges us to reconsider how autism has been constructed in public discourse—and who benefits from those constructions.We explore why it's vital to move beyond surface-level inclusion rhetoric and start asking deeper questions about the systems we're participating in. What if autism isn’t a “problem” to be solved but a neurotype to be understood? What if the way we talk about autism is more about marketing than truth?This conversation is equal parts grounding and radical, rooted in academic rigor but fully accessible to anyone willing to reexamine their assumptions. Whether you're a parent, educator, practitioner, or just someone curious about how narratives shape lived experience—this episode will leave you with more questions, and the courage to start asking them.The Autism Industrial Complex Raising Awareness of the AIC

with Corinne G. Catalano, PhD, IMH-E®, Montclair State UniversityIn this inspiring episode, Dr. Corrine Catalano joins us to talk about what truly makes early childhood education transformative: inclusion, intention, and a spark of curiosity. We explore how high-quality, inclusive preschool programs create long-term educational success for children with disabilities—when we meet kids where they are and build from their strengths.Dr. Catalano breaks down the tiers of support and how Universal Design for Learning (UDL) creates accessible environments where every child can thrive. We also dig into developmentally based approaches that honor children’s natural interests, helping them grow and engage without the need for bribes or compliance-based systems.This episode is a must-listen for anyone who believes that all children deserve to be seen, supported, and celebrated from the start.Just Give Them The WhaleDr. Corinne Catalano

Director of PDA North America, to explore the growing movement to raise awareness and support for individuals with Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA) in North America. Diane, a Licensed Clinical Social Worker with over 40 years of experience, has dedicated her career to understanding neurodivergence, supporting families, and training professionals to better serve PDAers.We discuss the challenges of navigating PDA in a system that often misunderstands it, the importance of advocacy and community in ensuring PDAers and their families receive the support they need, and how Diane's own autism diagnosis has shaped her approach. Diane also shares insights from her book Navigating PDA in America and highlights the incredible work of PDA North America, including its annual conference and growing resources for families and professionals.If you're a parent, educator, therapist, or PDAer looking for guidance and community, this conversation is for you. Join us as we explore how to create a more supportive and informed world for those with PDA.The Declarative Language Handbook PDA North America 

Toni Tortora, O.T. and Clinical Director of The Rebecca SchoolIn this episode of DIVERG., we take a deep dive into DIR/Floortime, a developmental, relationship-based approach that meets autistic children where they are and fosters meaningful growth through play, connection, and emotional engagement. Our guest, Toni Tortora, Occupational Therapist and Clinical Director at The Rebecca School, shares how the school implements DIR/Floortime to create a neuroaffirming and strengths-based learning environment.We discuss the power of waiting, watching, and wondering—three core principles that help caregivers and educators attune to a child’s unique way of engaging with the world. Toni provides real-life examples of how these strategies empower students to build communication, regulation, and problem-solving skills while feeling seen, supported, and understood.Whether you're a parent, therapist, or educator, this episode will deepen your understanding of DIR/Floortime in action and inspire you to embrace a child-led approach to development. Tune in for a conversation filled with insight, warmth, and actionable takeaways!The Rebecca School Episode 8: Joining In: The Key Differences Between Behavioral and Developmental Approaches—and Why Connection Always Wins with Dr. Jeffrey Guenzel, CEO of the International Council on Development and LearningEpisode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapy with Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.

Brian Middleton, M.Ed., BCBA, LBAJoin us for an engaging episode featuring Brian Middleton, the Bearded Behaviorist, as we delve into the heart of Radical Behaviorism and Radical Accountability. In this conversation, Brian unpacks the evolving landscape of ABA, explores pressing ethical challenges, and offers fresh perspectives on how the field can move forward with renewed accountability. Whether you’re a seasoned practitioner or new to behavior analysis, this episode promises insightful dialogue, innovative ideas, and a touch of Brian’s signature wit. Tune in to rethink the future of ABA, ethics, and transformative accountability.Mindful Behavior Bearded Behaviorist InstagramNeuroqueer Heresies: Notes on the Neurodiversity Paradigm, Autistic Empowerment, and Postnormal PossibilitiesPain and Shock in America: Politics, Advocacy, and the Controversial Treatment of People with Disabilities

In this enlightening episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Dr. Jeffrey Guenzel, CEO of the International Council on Development and Learning, to explore the fundamental differences between behavioral and developmental approaches in supporting autistic individuals. Dr. Guenzel breaks down how these models shape the way we engage with neurodivergent children and why prioritizing connection over compliance leads to meaningful progress.ICLD Website DIR/Floortime® Training Courses Dr. Jeffery Guenzel 

In this episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Dr. James Coviello for a nuanced conversation about the benefits of inclusion and what it takes to do it well. Beyond checkboxes and buzzwords, we explore how true inclusion fosters innovation, belonging, and meaningful progress in education. Dr. Covvielo shares insights on breaking down systemic barriers, designing environments that support neurodivergent individuals, and ensuring that inclusion is more than just a performative act. Whether you're a parent, educator, or advocate, this episode offers a thoughtful and actionable approach to building spaces where everyone thrives. About Dr. Coviello Work & Citations NJCIE

In this episode of DIVERG., we sit down with Mary O’Brien, an Autistic BCBA (Board Certified Behavior Analyst) and expert in Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). Together, we explore what Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) can look like when it is reimagined through a neuroaffirming lens—one that prioritizes values-based practices and fosters true autonomy for autistic individuals.Mary shares her insights on shifting ABA away from compliance-driven approaches and toward a framework that respects individual agency, sensory needs, and the natural ways autistic people communicate and learn. We dive into how therapists, educators, and parents can implement strategies that honor self-direction, reduce anxiety around demands, and create supportive environments that align with an autistic person’s strengths and values.Whether you’re a parent, therapist, or someone seeking a more ethical and affirming approach to support, this episode challenges traditional narratives and offers a hopeful perspective on how ABA can evolve to be more respectful, responsive, and truly beneficial for autistic individuals—especially those with a PDA profile.Jersey Behavior Mary's Instagram Other References: Mindful Behavior IGUnfurling Littles IG Bearded Behaviorist IG

In this episode, we sit down with Claudine Mossberg, founder of The Outdoor Play Connection, to explore how needs-based approaches can foster truly inclusive spaces for children of all abilities. Claudine shares her inspiring journey in creating environments where every child feels seen, supported, and empowered to thrive. Together, we discuss the importance of rethinking traditional play structures, understanding individual needs, and designing inclusive opportunities that foster connection, growth and true belonging. Whether you’re a parent, educator, or advocate, this episode offers valuable insights into building a world where all kids can play, learn, and belong.https://www.outdoorplayconnection.com/Instagram: @OutdoorPlayConnectionOther References:The Coddling of the American MindPlease note: This was my personal reference, not Claudines.

Episode 3: Strength in Connection: Mindfulness, Relationship and Strength Based Approaches to Autism Therapywith Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.  

Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Founder, The Mindful School O.T.  In this episode of The DIVERG. Podcast, we explore the transformative power of connection in autism therapy. Join us as we dive into the importance of mindfulness, building strong relationships, and using strength-based approaches to support neurodivergent children.We take a closer look at DIR Floortime, a developmentally-based and relationship-focused therapy model that emphasizes meeting children where they are and supporting their growth through play, connection, and joy. With practical insights and real-world examples, we discuss how these approaches can empower families to move beyond a “fix-it” mindset and instead celebrate the unique strengths and perspectives of their children.Whether you’re a parent, educator, or caregiver, this episode will leave you inspired to embrace connection as a cornerstone of autism therapy—and to see the incredible potential that blossoms when we focus on strengths, not deficits.The Mindful School OT Episode Resources: ICDL (Home of DIR/Floortime) DIR/Floortime Evidence Based DIR/Floortime Trainings & Courses Studies on Mindfulness/Restraint: Mindful staff can reduce the use of physical restraints when providing care to individuals with intellectual disabilities.Effects of Training Staff in MBPBS on the Use of Physical Restraints, Staff Stress and Turnover, Staff and Peer Injuries, and Cost Effectiveness in Developmental Disabilities. Effectiveness of caregiver training in mindfulness-based positive behavior support (MBPBS) vs. training-as-usual (TAU): a randomized controlled trial.

In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Jacqui Byrne, Founder of FlexSchool, to explore the unique journey of raising twice-exceptional (2E) children. Jacqui shares her wealth of wisdom and insights on creating positive education models that celebrate individual strengths while providing the necessary support to overcome challenges. Together, we discuss the transformative power of tailored learning environments and how parents and educators can empower 2E kids to thrive. Whether you're a parent, teacher, or advocate for neurodivergent learners, this episode is packed with inspiration and actionable takeaways.https://www.flexschool.net https://www.instagram.com/flex_school/Podcast References: Columbus Group Definition"Giftedness is 'asynchronous development' in which advanced cognitive abilities and heightened intensity combine to create inner experiences and awareness that are qualitatively different from the norm. This asynchrony increases with higher intellectual capacity. The uniqueness of the gifted renders them particularly vulnerable and requires modifications in parenting, teaching and counseling in order for them to develop optimally." (Columbus Group, 1991)

Episode 1: Searching for Safety, Redefining PDA Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at LEARN

Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at LEARN  In this episode of the DIVERG. Podcast, we sit down with Zach Morris, Zach Morris M.Ed. the founder of Alive at Learn and PDA expert. In this episode, we delve into the unique challenges and strengths of PDA, misconceptions around the profile, and practical strategies for creating neuroaffirming spaces. Whether you’re a parent, educator, or someone seeking to better understand neurodivergence, Zach’s perspective offers invaluable wisdom and actionable advice.Tune in for an enlightening conversation about redefining safety, embracing individuality, and advocating for a more compassionate world.Podcast References:  Alive At Learn: https://www.aliveatlearn.com Tilt Parenting: https://tiltparenting.com/  Bright and Quirky: https://brightandquirky.com/ PDA North America: https://pdanorthamerica.org/ Speak Peace in a World of Conflict: What You Say Next Will Change Your Worldby Marshall B. Rosenberg PhD Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life: Life-Changing Tools for Healthy Relationships (Nonviolent Communication Guides) Part of: Nonviolent Communication Guides (15 books)  | by Marshall B. Rosenberg PhD and Deepak Chopra | Sep 1, 2015 Say What You Mean by Oren Jay Sofer  The Declarative Language Handbook by Linda K. Murphy Connect with Us:Subscribe to the DIVERG Podcast. for more episodes that celebrate neurodivergence and democratize access to empowering information. Follow us on @DIVERGprograms on Instagram or visit www.Divergprograms.com to join the community.

Mary O’Brien, BCBA & Founder, Jersey Behavior. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 31st. 

Claudine Mossberg, Founder, The Outdoor Play Connection. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 21st. 

Dr. Deirdre Azzopardi, Pediatric Occupational Therapist & Founder of The Mindful School O.T. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 17th. 

Jacqui Bryne, Founder, FlexSchool. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 10th. 

Zach Morris M.Ed., Alive at Learn. Be sure to subscribe. Episode drops January 3rd. 

Inclusive of autistic and other neurodivergent voices, the DIVERG. podcast exists to bridge the gap between specialized knowledge and everyday parenting. We bring together forward-thinking experts who champion neuroaffirming and developmentally-based approaches to therapy, education, and life, while addressing the systemic challenges that families and individuals face in environments not designed for diverse minds. Insight by insight, we are building community and making space for all kinds of minds.The first episode drops, January 3, 2025.